Jeff54

Your 'Santa' appears to be stopping for drinks:

Yeah, I guess that's the one, but I don't see any H-G signs on it now. It had jumped out at me B/C it looked like one I have. It's been over 15 years since I examined mine and well, I am at odds as to exactly what I was thinking about being hand gathered. I shot a photo of the one near same color as yours. Not a good photo at all, but it captures enough to see how much of a slag type it is. . It kind of looks, 'maybe hand gathered'. but I have my doubts now.

A wild shot, as I'm not much good at WV swirls, but Heaton?

Looks like a mid 1980's Champion 'New old fashion'. Yet while I've seen quite a few I doubt all and don't recall that brown and shade or red. I just looks like those champs to me.

No, I think you're right Fire. Peltier's slags begin as hand gathered then, there's a strange H-G where, for lack of better explanation, the 9 get's kind of triangular, no clue how. And lastly, the feathering is supposed to be a secret ingredient that the inventor took to his grave. The feathered; not being H-G and much like Akro's, in terms of process, Swirls via a gob feeder. I think, it's strange that Akro seems to have made tons more of their Gob fed slags than Peltier's feathered styles. Like maybe 10 times more Akro verses Peltier. So, maybe Peltier quit making slags while Akro stuck with them?

Whoa, that's the biggest pile of bullet molds ever! I see something I think would be a good heads up as you wait and receive those. One you may overlook. . Down in bottom there's a yellow or amber and white slag looking one, it might be hand gathered. The typical HG 9 pattern might be hard to see, because when it's squished into the mold then after the grinding and seam is made smooth to become round the HG 9 pattern becomes squished and so, tough to imagine or see as the center gets lost wherever the seams were ground. It's kind of like; if you cut a slag in half, with a 1/8" blade where you would lose the 1/8" for the blade size. Put it back together. It would be oval of course, but that ease of following the spiral flow when gathered is disrupted and do not match. Instead of being cut out, it was squeezed out. I ran across a smaller group of 10-15 in Germany Ebay about 10 years ago with a number of the ground Guinea style like yours and some not ground, shiny gloss, Guinea, red, white and blue spotted like CAC but bullet mold: 3 or 4 of the ground bullet molds were just two colored and hand gathered. Sorry no photo for now, but here's a big one 1-1/8" where, for being so large, is easier to see, that popped up in Germany IDK but few years later. You can get an idea of what squeezing a hand gathered gob into a mold does to it. : I would guess, Hand Gathered slag bullet mold would be the oldest and rarest too, yet not as high valued as the Guinea or more attractive colors would be of the Czech or?, So, be sure to check it and possibly others in your monster score. Wow!

I can't recall just which glass factory CAC got their cutlet from except of a higher quality verses the others. It could explain why CAC's white can be brighter and many other colors more unique verses the norm. And of course, what chemicals CAC could have added to culet or is some early and batched? CAC founded about 1925 and failed about 1933 is well within the period where Akro's advancements occurred first in 1924 and finally the big breakthrough in 1928. . That time frame wouldn't be just Akro, it would mark a startup for the entire glass industry. Beyond Hand-gathered, albeit there are striped opaques with little whiptails, many of CAC's earlier colors such as electrics do look as if they're batch or made from scratch verses cutlet. The colors on Guinas, cobra's, blue lace, orange/red lace and especially electric orange are moreover, chemicals frozen in time: Here's a few close-up Micro shots I made years ago; examples of what appears to be raw chemical blending which brightens and contrasts in the tiniest grains. It's what makes their colors Pop!.:

Cut lines appear to be a V shape and curvy V-ish. closer to a Master. On an Akro I'd expect one sheer mark (Cut line) to be straight, the other curve or fairly straight.

Yeah, but that's not the photo and angle I tried to point out. This (your photo attached below) the largest photo, bottom left, you made. At this angle, in your photo attached, it is looking at 5 O'clock If you make another photo at this angle but turn it counterclockwise a bit to 3 O'clock. I have one with blending electric orange and blue but lost the photo of it some time ago. It's a feature you don't see often but noted back in the 1990's by CAC collectors. And I guess you could cite yours to have a tunnel in other shots yet, yours doesn't have a road to which is a construction feature, a type that's not just an occasional occurrence, yours does not have, belongs together: 'Road and tunnel'. I mean, you could just shoot another shot, but my point is, it looks like you got this eye and with just a slight turn, I think you'll see it better.

Eye. A little ol'll trick some CAC Striped opaques can feature noted many years ago. . If you turn the larger photo's marble, turn the center a little counterclockwise to see if it looks like an eyeball. It almost looks like an eye now but looking down like 5 O'clock. Put it at 3 O'clock.

Oh, I don't know.

IDK why, but the photos Al referenced that are not in your post now, did appear to point to Peltier broken cork, yet this does not look like one. I only have 1 which is 5/8"a wasp w/aventurine. Difficult to describe as it's hard to imagine how they did it. So, there's ribbons that are single and broken, rather cut lines at the beginning and ending of each one. There's 4 on mine that end and connect into a quirky spiral, that as a whole is not the smooth twist Akro's spinning cups or any twisted type of marble would display. Each line may bend or turn a bit out of the sequence the resulting spiraled direction the whole ends up being. On mine, the whole of this ends up equaling 1 complete twist from top to bottom. Weird as to how Peltier managed to do that. Now I see yours perhaps at a better angle and where it appears to be broken, disconnected or, it seems that it's just the black ribbon is bent and folded over. verses cut, chopped or disconnected . Interesting spiral effect it seems yet, I am more inclined to consider it to be a Vacor or something other than an old marble. As far as you are seeing a dark green, there's a lot of black glass that's actually a very dark green. Additionally, not all of Peltier's black NLR or other has aventurine.

Yup sure does have the ribbons lined up for Peltier broken corkscrew. Sure is a giant at that which is maybe why it's not so easy to see as typical 5/8" size. Their Broken corks never had duel or more ribbons as is what most all others did, just one, spiraling crookedly with chopped ends just touching another end. IDK how'd they do that: chopping gobs and sticking em together? Ha. Yet, as the story goes, Peltier was trying to put the heat on Akro. They're pretty hard to find and a giant, got to be incredibly more difficult to even see one this big.

Yeah, I get that feeling too albeit, Gary got quite a few of the Akros which included the best he could of their red and yellow so, I expect he would have settled that point. I think, in his other 2005 photo he'd sent me; the top rows is the best Akro Red-yellow H-G that came up at the time. It is very much the same as the others, like mine, same as my Friend's I mentioned before, yet best of any I recall. I think the last row was one that's close, but no devils once he'd received it.. The dug-ups are not exactly the same as his, presumed CAC. I mean, we're getting off topic as I'm leading what Akro did because that find has so many different unexpected discoveries,. Since then I found an unusual green slag in my collection that is likely Akro for the color and way it's H-G, and have seen others at ebay, all marbles in the wild, used, played with etc. that illustrates many of the dug-up H-G's were and are there, right front our noses that no less, made and sold before 1928 well before anybody knew it. Gary and I were sharing info at the time. I managed to get about 100, IDK how many he did except, we were not just hording them ,Hording is not for me,, but picking lots to get a different color or unusual examples. One of these days, albeit I have been trying to get it done, I'll get the show going in a topic about them. There's a lot of things Akro was doing that's quite surprising. One, for example is that; there's a lot where finding the clues of being Hand gathered is not as easy as one would think. In the meantime, back to the topic; here's Gary's best I've seen 2004-5 dup-up Akro H-G Red and Yellow 'Red Devil' . IDK but, not quite like his presumed CAC so, a head scratcher to be sure. The bottom row is a dug-up with some yellow blending in a defiantly different shade of red so, not the same type for color.

There is more regarding Red Devil subject: Gary Stern has had one for several years, well before 2004-ish Akro H-G discovery. I haven't seen or heard from @marbdog since 2005 So, he may have posted this here or at Pete's back then. Gary, like so many others, had acquired two colored opaque Hand gathered marbles of another color when, back in the day, nobody knew of the hidden treasures that were yet to be discovered under Akro floors. The fact then, before the Akros showed up, everybody cited such Hand gathered marbles as CAC. Accordingly, word I'd heard; At Akro, there was a drainpipe filled with H-G. Anyways, Gary was just as amazed as others that Akro made a lot more than realized too. However, he sent this photo, claiming the colors are a match for CAC's Red Devil and especially asking if I'd ever heard of aventurine in yellow by Christinsen Agate. He also understood it may be a freak occurrence. IDK exactly what he saw, but in his photo on the yellow, you can see tiny dark spots which is typical in photos with aventurine. Regardless, not an Akro dug-up yet, no question it's hand gathered and pretty amazing thing to find. Toss in some aventurine or freaky crystalizing while cooling, it goes the distance beyond.

Michaelangelo not although it is Vacor. , But,IDK if they discontinued this surface back then, made at the time they came out. IDK which name yours has but do know whenever Vacor made Michealangelo's some of their verities which included Michaelangelo had the same frosted surface too. I have a Michel from, like 22 years ago, or whenever first made, in a 5-10 cent each box of new marbles, I'd thought different than others for the surface and sample example.

That pretty much chinches the deal. I mean, your marble is hardly seen or inquiry to be found as to maker or whatever because there's but few marbles, or single colored that fit into the Chinese Checkers category that have values. Marble King's don't even register on The Victor and or Richter scale so, were you to ask Google it, most likely, will never answer your 'Who made it?' I doubt there's an algorithm yet created in today's world But in good sport to seek guidance request: I never cared to bother but you've made a good point and the answer is: Most all of mine are simi- translucent, although appear solid, but yeah, light in varying degrees, some more, some less, will go through just like yours. I do not have them as collectible interest, they are stuff dug up at MK dump, all dirty unsearched and this of the most common; varying shades of red and others that are undeniably orange. . . File it in your Marble Kings. Maybe, albeit it's yours, call it whatever you want: Marble King, single color un-patch. 🥴

I lean towards Marble King for cut lines and red over white plus the patch at the pole. Actually, moreover an un-patch as those I have like this, in red, dark and regular appear to be Chinese checker misfits that either have an un-patch or irregular coloring. Plus, I have some that are actually orange yet not fully covered too. All are dug-ups from Jillian's digging several years ago. . That wouldn't mean this was dug-up as not everything was culled during manufacture. Never thought about checking MK for dull sheer blades as Akro clearly made pretty often leaving 'Eyelashes'. I could not match that on those I looked at, but many do have slivers that could be mistaken as dull sheer blades however, those are going with the flow verses at a different angle which this appears to do too, flowing with its direction. Bubble pops and or dents are common on the MK's. As for Akro Chinese Checkers, I've never had their boxes to learn anything but do have a bunch of dug-ups and they're all solid or strong near solid translucent, colored, unlike topic ID which has a white base coated with red, it could be Vitro for that matter. .

Strange for a Peltier. You have ribbons, as it appears in the photos, that don't appear to be running and ending together. Maybe the colors are diving in and out of the surface, but it looks more like color ribbons are too thin and chopped. it should have duel ribbons with fairly consistent colors side by side from one cut off end to the other. There's gray in 1st photo that turns yellowish clear? On last photo one ribbon looks like it's black and a different one looks like it flows clear. You have another where the gray ribbon changes to clear and then back to gray? This doesn't seem to have consistency in the ribbons like Peltier. I agree with others, probably need to make bigger and clearer photos or it's been ground down and makes the ribbons look thin and broken.

Have to admit that ebay Peltier does remind me of Cambell's Tomato soup, Ha ha. Yet I recall when the 1st Tomato marble in the 1990's was hot to trot, very hard to find I think as active I'd been at this time I'd only seen, maybe two.. Even now, I tried to find a photo but nothing. It's an Akro; Cloudy white base swirl mixed with separate UV reactive 'Aide' swirling with red very much like an Akro Imperial yet, different because of the 'Ade and cloudy white combanation. . All I can see now is UV reactive aide and red which, accordingly, is not the same as a 'Old school' tag; Tomato. Nore are they the same as the type with red and white only Imperia verity, but are a hybrid of these? I wonder now, as I think of it 'Tomato' "Where'd they and the name go?" Maybe just to hard to tell the difference and or very rare? IDK.

I have a couple of those. Somebody brought a group of new MK's for an appraisal around 2002 maybe?. I picked just 2 out like that as samples because they were so different with a Peltier flavor. I think the others were what they call Albinos now. Long time but think MK called these Glowies or something like that. IDK for sure but made 2000 or so. I don't recall if I put under UV but they look like, in-hand, that they'll light up. I had seen plenty brand new verities on ebay at that time and so, was easy to ID them. .

The center marble looks like one of the Czech or Ukraine fakes. I would not be surprised if the yellow is too IDK if 1st is as it looks like a cat-eye of some type. Yet that guy who made em, did 1,000's of fakes by hand and had he not be a scam artist, claiming they were old from a circus many years ago, a lot of them are pretty nice, just bad vibes. There's people who have a bunch of em so, to be sure, maybe somebody can confirm them.

Yup CAC. Rare? They are harder to find; Striped transparent slags all together but wouldn't say rare and I think white maybe of the hardest to get with all that stripping on yours. You're having same problem I'm having the white is blasting your shot. . It'll look a ton, way, way better if you can shoot it so you can see all the clear too.

What a minute here. It's been so long I forgot and reviewing the email with my friend's scans to see the other photos if opaque or not and angles, I realized his subject was ' Red Devil'. However, he titled the scans 'akro red devil' Now, I remember as that was in 2006 and around 2005, I pretty much, save for a few here and there, wasn't collecting much anymore. Yet he and I chatted on the phone and email often and his email did not include any information besides the title subject. I just checked the two I have and realized; The Akro's Red is semitranslucent red with nice minty smooth surfaces. And indeed, Double wrong. So, to be sure I checked the net and Christensen agate's Red Devil is also semitranslucent red and opaque yellow where the red appears close to Akro's but CAC's yellow looks brighter, but not Hand-gathered as I had thought. Now we see yours is opaque, virtual unknow territory unless it's contemporary. Yet your photos looks as if it's H-G. Is there a nine pattern on any sides? Lets see any hint of a 9 pattern. Here's one of the pattern CAC Red Devil is made like, Not H-G and is a familiar striped pattern of theirs with link to auction site and details when sold some time ago (I thinks it's the very same marble that Danny Turner sold several years ago): Lot Detail - CHRISTENSEN AGATE RED DEVIL MARBLE. (morphyauctions.com)

I have a few Novas, IDK 4 or 5 maybe. I have No doubt the 1st is one. On the 2nd, the white and pinkish, although not all are pinkish, colors look right. So would suggest that all the action it has, it is different in that, typically, they have 2 patchy effects on each side so, it's a step above the average Nova for more swirling effect. . I.E. think as fire notes, you got it right the first time.