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There are no marbles of that type to be found in packaging not marked with the National Line name.

I would think the glazed as the unglazed are the easiest to fake????

I do appreciate the constant reaffirming from you Pelt collectors how happy I am that the CAC collectors never went to some kind of crazy wackadoodle naming game. Although I really am OK in my brain that you Pelt guys need it and have fun with It.(LOL) Galen W. Wilcox: Founding member of NHA

Even quite a few Jabos show the pattern. Here are a few more Pelts with the reversing corkscrew pattern

Nice NLRs.

On both pictures of the pontils you can see perfectly smooth surface area between the grooves that were ground to make the pontils. At least that is what it appears to look like to me. That just isn't something you would ever see on both pontils of a cane cut marble because there would have been no way for that smoothness to appear with cane still attached to at least one end. It also appears all the pontil work is below the surface of the marble. Another sign of a manufactured pontil. Of course anything is possible, and I have certainly been wrong before.

that is an awful lot of Jabos!

Have a very very special day!!

Very special marbles Winnie, they are fantastic!!

As I get older there is a big difference about what I care about others knowing. Like what happens after I cough real hard now that I have had the prostate surgery. (LOL)

I believe yellow was one of MFCs colors and Brian dug some examples that were bright yellow at MFC

I got the Ebay explanation when I asked for 100 of the marbles. They did say more were coming up for sale

I would also agree!

Yes they dug gobs of weird handgathered marbles at Akro. More than likely their earliest attempts but one must remember Akro got boxcars of marbles from MFC and it has been proven they used MFC marbles before they produced their own.

The Blue Yellow and Green look like MFCs. And I have always wondered if a lot of those weird colored dug types were not made in the last days of MFC. Akro did start out by using MFC marbles.

Now I have to ask, is it really greed or are the sellers not just trying to cover the increased cost in product supply(coffee has gone up tremendously at the source for example) and other costs (Labor transportation insurance etc etc) while passing on a similar product that will not loose them sales which may even drive the costs up more????? Seems like a very intelligent sales method to me. Raise costs or shrink size? And there is only one way to do it in a dollar store is there not??? Too bad they have to do both sometimes.

I am very sorry that my post sounded like I was insinuating you would ever fake a pontil. I know you would never do such a thing. I simply meant it as an inquiry to the amount of remelted marbles in circulation today. My apology to you for not being more careful on my wording.

And I am glad to see these reworked marbles brought to the forefront. Too many folks do not know what to look for and these type posts help. And maybe Charles should have looked a little closer. Look at the fifth pic for a great example of how dremel work to make pontils always falls below the surface of the marble. At about 11:00 you can really see it. Hopefully he pulls the auction. Oh yea, this is all just the opinion of a semi-educated very opinionated long time marble collector.

Jeroen, They are very common. I saw half a dozen or more at the Vegas show that folks were showing how they got taken. Several had the the badly done dremel made pontils. And until the folks reheating them start scratching a signature in them they will be more and more common. I wonder how many Rich alone has done and he is only one of many. A bigger worry is some of the new outstanding copies being made today in OHIO. And hopefully Jeroen does get the seller of this OBVIOUS REMELT to loose a sale whether he knows what it is or not. I would happily compensate the seller for the lost sale if it is not reworked!!!!!!!!!!!

Now thats definitely one I have never seen any where else!!!!

Can't tell what the first one is but I have seen the visi-pacs before

I believe they are making them now. Looking at the pontils glass and patterns of many I would say it is one guy making them as we speak. And I bet we see more and more until the prices drop to next to nothing. Bad glass bad fakes. And I would also bet if you offered that seller enough money he could come up with as many of those marbles as you were willing to pay for. Faking antiquities has been common practice in Bulgaria for quite some time. http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=67829 There are many "Antique" stores that sell nothing but modern fakes in Bulgaria today.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/lot-antique-vintage-hand-made-marbles-1-19-64-1-53-64-pontiyl-mark-mint-/321259397582?pt=Marbles&hash=item4acc8d61ce

Very interesting!

I actually think the so called fakes turned out to just be a later version of the box.