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I am out of time. I have company coming here tomorrow. I have a four hour road trip tomorrow and a fourteen hour road trip Wednesday to visit a marble friend.

The Marble Kings are in your third post, the group of ten marbles.

Yes it would have been easier if the pictures or post were numbered or some order to refer back to. I have counted those pictures probably twenty times or more. Just one of several problems with posting big numbers of pictures with several marbles and several post with questions all straight in a row. It takes hours to reply.

I named the Heaton Black Cherry . Top row of six. I see a difference in the third one to the right. It looks more orange and slight brown than any of the others. Plus the base is not as bright white as the Black Cherry should be. The pattern is the same but the glass colors base and swirl color is different. Not a Black Cherry. Anyone else see the difference. A easy mistake if not under good light and not paying close attention. Small details makes a difference with WV swirls and many named marbles. That third marble is not a Black Cherry. It is different and to different to stretch it to a named Black Cherry.

The picture near the end with one marble, white red and blue and four pictures. The blue looks the same in two pictures and different in the third. I assume the true color of blue is the first two pictures ? It does not look like any normal All Red. The red and blue cover way to much of the white for normal All Reds. Plus you only have found one. It may be a messed up mistake All Red or Akro or Foreign to the US ?

All Reds can twist or swirl same as any marble. It is probably easier to make a swirl than keeping the lines, bands or ribbons straight. Gravity tries to pull the hot glass stream in a twist. Just like water going down a drain. If the machine operator is away doing something else, refilling the furnace, taking away finished marbles, etc. If something gets out of alignment or the glass temperature changes, etc. Then the normal standard goal of patch or patch and ribbon style or pattern may change. Each machine operator was responsible from the back of the furnace to the finished marble. He could not watch the hot glass stream and marbles falling onto the machine rolls twenty four hours a day. He had other things that had also had to be done every fifteen minutes. So the marbles will not all, not ever be the exact same. Even when made the same day buy the same person. There are hundreds of variables when making marbles. One of those change and the marbles final look may change. The goal was numbers per minute first and then try to keep them near the same what ever that goal was. The ones which were not the same or the goal were usually tried to be sorted out and discarded. But that is slow and labor intensive. They were cheap and the loss of a few marbles was better than paying more wages. They did not sell a hundred or a thousand marbles. They were selling pounds, tons of marbles. Making them at 250 per minute, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, every month if possible. The larger companies had four to fifteen machines, with each machine doing this. Do the math, Cheap toys in numbers, not collector items to be inspected and scrutinized fifty and seventy five years later.

The goal at Vitro for All Reds was a white base with one red patch and a different colored patch on opposite poles. But if there was no red cullet glass that day. They did not shut the machine down. That is hard on any marble machine. Maybe they had red glass coming the next day. The continued to make marbles the same method and style pattern as they were making only without red. They used what they had and kept running marbles. These were cheap kids toys, quality control was not the highest thing on the profit list. For profit, number one was always numbers, marbles per minute. They did not shut down if they had no red glass. Construction or style or pattern is a trait. Color or color combinations is a trait. Glass quality can be a trait. A long list of traits. Traits are what is used to identify any marble. Experience and viewing millions of marbles is a plus. The more of that the easier it is to notice a different or trait.

Pictures 7- 8 and 9 I am confident are Marble King patch and ribbon. In pictures 8 and 9 the far right center marble is colors like what collectors call the Jillian. Named for Jill Spencer of WV who named a big portion of MK marbles. I have dug these marbles in 7-8-9 pictures at the Paden City Marble King area. Most all these I left behind because so many were weak on the colors. they have almost no collector value. You can only carry out so many. Dirty marbles get heavy.

Picture #5 group of three, are not All Reds. The first one has a gray or darker ribbon or band half way around the middle between the two red/orange patches. The second one has one orange pole and orange with a little gray band or ribbon half way around the middle, plus one white pole. The third one has a wide orange band with a little gray more around the middle and not a patch. The poles are white. I think they are the same company. But colors not as controlled or equal as the Vitro All Reds. They could be Akro or foreign to the US. Lesser quality glass and colors.

Picture #3. These are not Vitro All Reds. I cannot tell you 100% for sure if these are Vitro or Akro patch marbles ? I have never researched these any amount as they did not have any appeal to me and have very little value with collectors. Also found in big numbers in the US. About every new collector finds these and separates them out of their collection the first year. They are usually gave away to kids or another new collector. Maybe someone else knows definitely who made these patches or seen them in a original package ?

Picture #2 has marbles that are not the same. The top six are Vitro All Reds. The bottom three are not Vitro. Probably Akro. The Vitro All Reds as you can see have a white base with one red patch on one pole and a patch of another color on the opposite pole. That is the definition of Vitro All Red. The white base leaves a white band around the middle of the marble. With the two different color patches on each pole. The three marbles at the bottom have a red patch on one pole, a yellow patch on one pole and a red band or ribbons half way around the middle covering half or the white band around the middle. Akro made a lot of weak thin colored patch marbles. The bottom three also may be foreign to the US ? Yes red glass was very difficult to get during and for several years after WWII. The first All Reds are what we now call Black Line All Reds. These are white base with a black or dark band around the middle or equator and a red patch on one pole and a different color patch on the opposite pole. The white base does show on most of these on each side of the black or dark band around the equator. As the years did pass by the brighter richer color All Reds did fade and with thinner colors. Which look some like the bottom three marbles in coloring but the white band still remained around the middle. Many of the late 1980's and newer All Reds also had a super shiny iridescent finish on the surface. The name All Red means that when ever the marble rolls or is shot by a player. That the red color flashes and the red color is seen with every All Red marble. Not that the marble is all red but always see red as the marble rolls with every All Red.

It is either Alley or a very nice Heaton ? The pictures looks like the white base has a slight pink shade to it ? The glass looks like very good quality. If the base is nice bright white I would say early Alley.

If I have time later ? I may try to explain each group or picture. Looks like 8 or 10 to answer. Plus I think one group are Marble Kings.

I was also thinking Peltier. The white is thin and looks veneered. Is the dark color black or brown ? The odd shape blue patch on one side looks like some Vitro exotic or fancy conqueror's patches.

I am not going there into what exactly is layered sand CAC. That can be wide depending on who owns the marble or what they want to sell it for ? With some collectors layered sand can also depend on the combination of colors. When you attach the name layered sand to a CAC marble. We all know the value increases drastic just because of the name. Then the discussions begin is it a layered sand or not ? In the end that is up to the owner, seller or buyer.

With these it is difficult to know for sure how many colors were used. Because of so many shades of purple, thinning bleeding and laying over top of dark purple. It may be two colors or maybe three. But it may be nothing but white over top of dark purple. Put very thin white over top of dark purple and it looks some like pink or another purple. It may be only dark purple base with white added ?

Akro

That dark transparent base glass, the orange/red bleeding color, the certain green color, with a little white and blue. Those five things all together in combination make a point to Peltier MC or MCS. Since it is twisted or swirled it is MCS.

I would put it with Alley. I am changing my mind after looking at it probably six times. Because of the two cuts, the layering, the wrapping, the little road and tunnel. I will say CAC.

MK

I agree Akro slag.

No Vitros, no Wedding Cakes. Blue base and red is CAC swirl.

That is probably a good guess.

Tough, might be Akro.

I think the first one is Imperial. The second one may be the same.