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Most glass workers in WV refer to seedy glass when the glass has gas bubbles and sometimes off color a little. It is when the glass is not cooked proper. The old story of adding a potato or potatoes to the furnace to clean the glass up. It did work. Many things can cause the bubbles. The furnace exit gas is important. Temperature and time is important. Different glass reacts differently. The marble may be a French sparkler.

I agree with Steph on all. The third marble is 100% for sure Akro Corkscrew. Very common color combination with Akro cork.

Left #1 = Alley swirl Center #2 = Alley St.Marys Ghost Right #3 = Ravenswood Novelty

CAC short version for, Christensen Agate Company Cambridge OH.

The second one has not oxblood. It is not a 9 pattern associated with hand gathered marbles. This one is machine made and just were the glass stream folded over and swirled around. It is a Alley swirl.

Great. Correct.

Not Green Fizz. Plus Pelt Green Fizz glows very bright under black light.

The middle one is tough. But I think they are all Alley from the St.Marys WV factory. The middle one does resemble Peltier> But the different shades in the red look like Alley Bacon swirls. The couple sharp tips on the red swirl or ribbon look Alley. The very first picture on the middle marble looks Alley. The second picture is the one which makes it look like Peltier cut lines and ribbons. That exact blue and the different shades of red are exact for some St.Marys Alleys. The pattern of the red is just different on this one than most routine St.Marys Alleys.

Both are white base and blue swirls machine made at Champion Agate in Pennsboro WV. Made in the mid 1980's.

Being cased usually refers to handmade marbles. This is where usually a clear extra layer of glass is applied over top of the colors, making the colors look deep into the marble and also protecting the colors with a outer layer of clear. The colors of some hand mades new and old can be in layers. Add a color, add more clear, add a color add more clear, add a color and more clear. This gives the marble depth, more 3D. I am not sure if a machine made marble could be cased as most know that marble term. When a machine made marble leaves the furnace and before hitting the rolls. I don't know of any way to add another extra outside layer of clear glass to it. The Akro Sparkler colors were added or injected into the hot glass stream or glob much like a Cat Eye is made. Some of those colors stay near the surface or go deeper, in Cat Eyes or Sparklers. Some Cat eye vanes come to the outside edge of the marble and some stay more inside. The Cat Eye marbles where the vanes stay more inside and do not come to the outside edge. These are not considered cased. Sorry Bill, you said open for discussion. But I think you were probably told cased as to help the sale. Cased or not ? It is still the best Akro Sparker that I have seen. It is mint, lots of very quality clear glass and full of colors any way it is turned.

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Champion never produced a patch or patch and ribbon marbles. Champion made mainly game marbles and swirls. Plus they never made anything over 3/4 inch size.

Nice score and a wide range of marbles. Nice Greman handmade, a Popeye, bright odd cat eye, figure 8, two maybe transitional corks far left, top left purple/white maybe Veiligglas ?

First one is Jabo. The others are non USA.

Yes, some of the first marbles which I bought my first couple months of collecting. They looked old so they had to be valuable, wrong ! One of my very early marble lessons. I decided that if I was going to do this. That I had to learn and know what I was spending money for. I still make a bad buy every year or two. But that is my fault. I should know what I am buying .

The first one is not a Popeye. The texture of the white looks like damage. The marble has significant damage all over. A Popeye requires a clear base(not translucent)with wispy white and two or more other colors. They can be a corkscrew or patch style marble. The second one is maybe a dark brown base with a white corkscrew ribbon. It could also be a dark purple base, with the white over top of the purple making it look brown ? Also significant damage all over.

I sure would like to see them. Plus have them for future reference. I am also sure others here would also like to see them. Exotic Vacors and Vacor Cat Eye's sure. The more we share the more all of us know. I know it takes time to do these many different post. But it is not a waste. Someone will benefit from it. Maybe post them in the General Marble and Glass Chat. It might be seen there more ?

More Sammy's Mountain Marbles Ellenboro WV. All near 5/8 size machine mades.

These below are 5/8 size machine mades.

If that means Jabo tank wash ? I will plead the 5th. I see nothiinng, I know nothiinng, I heard nothiinng.

The yellow base and red is Akro. The other two have high chance of Jabos.

No no, Please don't call me king of marbles. I just decided many years ago to learn WV swirls. My location in WV was the biggest advantage in that. In the center of where all the WV swirls were produced. I was also lucky enough and close enough to spend many hours, some 12-16 hours straight both days and nights at Jabo over many years. Eight or ten years even before the investor runs began. Watching. listening, and asking millions of questions of any one there who would talk to me. Even the women who did the packaging. A job I could have never done. I saw a lot of people come and go at Jabo. Some were there from the start. The combination of those two were my biggest factors in learning about marbles. The marble shows and experienced collectors were my next teachers. But I soon found out that some of what I heard there was not what I had been told and seen. But it was all they knew at the time. The one single person who started me with collecting marbles and has kept me with it through different difficult times is Sammy Hogue. He took his time, he made me work for all of it. He directed me to every source of WV swirls and also to Jabo. Sammy give me the clues and I went searching and asking. Even when he knew the answers well and was friends with most all of them who helped me. There are many people who know as much and more about marbles than myself. Many are gone now but several are still here and some newer collectors are doing their searching now. Maybe many of those just do not pass along the info they know as much as I do ? Many of them seldom use the internet. Plus it is a lot of time. Some have told me a waste of time. But if that is so, then a lot of people wasted a lot of years with me. So that they did not waste their time, I pass it along. That is the only thing they ever ask of me. So you will just have to put up with me telling you what they told me or my experiences with marbles. Not any king just a messenger. The messenger reserves the right to be wrong.

I talked with Dave McCullough and Beri Fox both more than once about why they made mainly only swirls or patch and ribbon style marbles. Beri Fox is owner of Marble KIng which her father owned and after her father passed she purchased from her family. Dave was part owner of Jabo. It was just a courtesy, respect, friendly agreement between Dave and Beri. Since Marble King had made patch and ribbon style many years before Jabo was formed. It was right that MK continue making the patch and ribbon marbles and Dave at Jabo would make swirl style marbles. You can find a few odd non standard production MK swirls. There were a few patch-patch and ribbon marbles made at Jabo while Dave was a part owner there. But most times when this happened Dave was not there, or didn't know about it, until later. If Dave knew about making patch and ribbon marbles it was for a very short time only. The non written respect agreement was: Marble King produce patch and ribbon marbles. Jabo would produce swirl marbles. They both produced industrial marbles.

D.A.S. = Dave's Appalachian Swirls Pennsboro WV. This is a part time marble making Co. or site at Dave McCullough's house. Where he started making marbles after leaving Jabo.