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Not many color combinations that I have not seen with spaghetti cullet. I have buckets of dirty cullet from last year 2021 going back to about 2000, from many marble companies.

No way I can say for sure.

Another point towards CAC. Plus the true nice CAC Turkey heads in the last photo.

Spaghetti cullet .

What research shows how a Miller machine made all the Peltier swirl style marbles ? I agree Steph, I would also think Alley. But I stopped trying to change minds who are set that their marble is a Peltier swirl. It is their marble, it can be anything they want it to be. If they are happy that is what matters. The swirl pattern or any other pattern or style all happens upstream of the marble machine. It can happen in the furnace and throughout the hot glass glob delivery system to the marble machine. There are lots a various furnace designs inside the furnace. There are lots of very different color addition systems. There are many styles of delivery systems to the marble machine. The marble machine is the simplest piece of equipment in the entire system. It just makes the elongated hot glass glob round. there is no special roll groves to make swirl marbles. You can make swirls or patches or ribbon and patch marbles all on the same exact marble machine. How does a Miller machine make a swirl marble ? What is special about a Miller machine at Peltier that makes swirls ? Akro did not make swirls on Miller machines. Brian Graham has never made a swirl marble on a original Peltier Miller machine. The marble pattern all happens before the marble machine. I have seen in person probably a hundred or more marble machines and they are all basically the same. just grooved rolls. Different size rolls for different size marbles. I will listen to anyone who can explain to me what is special or different about a Peltier Miller marble machine which made all the Peltier swirl marbles.

First one might be CAC. Second one Ravenswood or Alley for sure. I lean slightly to Alley. The color is all on the surface, sharp points on end of color, darker on the edge of the color striping, and only one spot or color on backside. Which I see more of all the above with Alley's than Ravenswood's

Not all roll marks are cold roll marks. Cold roll marks only happen on the first start up. Hot roll marks happen many times hourly. Cold roll marls are just that, cold rolls. The hot marbles heat the rolls. Depending on the size machine depends on how many or how long cold roll marks are made. The large the size machine the longer it takes to heat the rolls. Because they have more steel than smaller rolls. Hot roll marks or the vast majority of roll marks happen because of many factors. Temperature to high to low, roll speed, size of glass glob, glass build up on rolls, and more. Most roll marks are not cold roll marks. Cold roll marks are bad enough that they are all discarded, until the rolls heat up. Normally no color is added with the base glass until the rolls get hot and the marbles are running smooth. Cold Roll Mark is another old term that is used wrong. I don't know if it will ever change ? Like many other old beliefs and terms. Once it is print some place, even if not correct, it is almost impossible to make it go away or change. I am on a roll tonight, I better just roll on out cold.

No oxblood. The marble is a Jabo.

Any more than one seam disqualifies it as being called a Miller ?????? Why is a named Miller swirl only one seam ??? Are the CAC single seam marbles a Miller swirl ???? Every marble is cut twice. Not a can but a five gallon bucket of worms. Which Miller machine ? They were lots more than one. Even Akro had Miller machines, which Berri Fox uses for parts now at MK. Each size marble takes a different size machine. What separates this error marble from millions of WV swirls ? Looks like it was a little cold and did not spin correct when it first hit the roll groove. The last picture shows the dark blue folded over on itself. Folded right over top of the white. I have never heard or seen a marble machine roll specially made to do that. I doubt that is possible. I have way to many questions no one has answered yet about so called Peltier Miller machine swirls. For me I try to call them what they are for me, Peltier swirls. You can make swirls, patches, or ribbon and patch marbles all on the same exact marble machine., I have done it, witnesses to it being done. Jabo made swirls and patches on the same exact machines. The marble machine does not make the marble a patch, swirl or patch and ribbon style. That all happens upstream before the hot glass glob hits the rollers. Brian Graham in OH owns a original Peltier Miller machine with the original Miller id plate on it.. He has made lots of marbles with it. NONE look anything like any Peltier Miller swirl. WHY ?? I know everyone is tired of me asking what is different with a Peltier MIller marble machine, from all the rest, even the Miller machines that Akro had ? A marble machine is just a frame on some type of wheels, bearings, chain or gear drive, a drive motor, with a set of grooved rolls to make the hot glass glob round. A marble machine just makes the hot glass glob round. After the first couple grooves the marble will not change. The other grooves are just for cooling. On and on.

Are they oxblood or just red ?

Sorry those marbles were not mine. That man had the best handmade collection I have seen, plus super machine mades and box sets. Most of his collection sold recently for $310,000.00 . A long way out of my reach. He had the room next to me at the last FL show. I am sure he had to clean the drool off the marbles to sell them. It was for sale when he was at the show. I got to spend a good amount of time drooling on them. Just another reward for days at shows.

All good. Wrapping each one in aluminum foil also works. I have had so many mesh bags arrive broke open and most end up with the bag header broken. Even from well known high end dealers and auction houses. Some roll them in one layer of small bubble wrap. Fold the bag over and stuff it in a box to bounce around. NEVER fold a old mesh bag.

I am spoiling my great grandkids. They both play with marbles every time they visit. Thay have taken several home. Will the marbles survive, will yet to be seen ?

Vitro used a lot of Conqueror's this size in their box sets.

100% Vitro Opal. I have the same color combo on Ebay now.

Jabo

100% Alley.

I agree probably both Master. If the right is not Master it is Akro. Would need more close up pics of cut lines.

Cut lines in the first two pictures.

I agree a Killer.

Panama City FL.

Newer MK.

Looks like a mix. Most maybe Champion.

I have the MM sizes wrong. But anyway the price at face to face shows can be better than the internet sales. Those handmade marbles came from three different sellers. Five from one seller and the other two were different sellers. The prices were from $75.00 to $400.00 each. I have less than $1000.00 in all seven of them, and $400.00 of it was one marble. I could have sold that one for $600.00 within a hour of buying it. Going to marble shows takes time and expense. But many times the rewards are good. Plus great times with many old friends from all over the US. Plan to go next month to a marble show and the beach in FL. Gulf beach front hotel in Feb. for the marble show. Marbles in Feb. with a beach. Two years ago marble show.