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100% Champion New Ole Fashion. Anyone know the difference with New Ole Fashion Marbles and Old Fashioned Marbles ? They are names used by two different companies, not collector names.

The ribbons look Peltier. But it is very unusual large for Peltier. It has orange peel. It has roll marks. It has a good amount of clear mixed with the white. All this common with Vacor from Mexico.

Akro patch. No Indian Blanket.

The first Vitro Confetti marbles were produced by Louie Moore plant manager at Parkersburg. That was Linda Simmons father. Louie's son brought several to a WVMCC meeting back about 2001-2003. He sold all of them there. They were all single color frit. The frit was smooth. They were all near 7/8 size. There were all opaque white base. {Possible he could have made some clear base ? Vitro Anacortes also made a few Confetti marbles. They were 5/8 size. Maybe some 7/8 size ??? I think they were all single color frit. Most (not all) of those the frit was smooth. Raylon Dalton, Al Rasmus, and other nw coast people may have more info ? The odds are that 99% of the Confetti marbles are Vacor. They made about every color, and size. Some are rough surface but some can be smooth. It is a big problem knowing or convincing people if they are Vitro or Mexico. Unless you know exactly their life trail. So most Confetti marbles do not have much value any longer. Good luck !

100% Champion New Ole Fashion marble made in the mid to late 1980's.

100% Champion

Shows for the US listed on westvirginiamarblecollectorsclub.com web site. Updated as information is supplied. Shows listed In every issue of the West Viriginia Marble Collectors Club newsletters. Shows can depend on how far you can travel ? Swirls are like most marbles much easier to learn in hand than any picture or text. You will not learn them in one or two shows. A few 2022 shows. Jan = Indy Feb = Florida and Canton OH March= Mo April = Decatur IL and TX May= WV and TN June= Iowa July= maybe WV August= Canton OH and Fort Wayne IN Sept = ? last year was Dayton OH Oct = ? Nov = Decatur IL Dec= usually none. Just a few of the regulars in my head now. I know there are more.

They were offered to me for $1250.00. Some nice marbles but I could not be 100% sure on the amber guinea ? Plus there was no condition for the guinea. Or I missed it looking several times ? Which it was one of the higher dollar marbles. I was also not sure the one was a Popeye ? Someone may have got a nice group at a good price ?

Depends on where you look and how often. They are on Ebay at least monthly and at almost every marble show. I sold a couple groups of large wirepull Veiligglas about a week or two weeks ago on Ebay.

I agree Ric, the green flame pee wee is a Jabo special run done by Dave M. on the original Vitro Pee wee machine, which Sammy Hogue owns now.

I think the originals are from Japan. There is a man on All About Marbles who is in Japan and doing lots of research on marble companies there. He has come up with drawings, pictures, patents, company names, interviews with past owners and workers. The latest is Duck Marbles.

I agree Akro slag.

Willam that green tea pot is marked JP on the bottom or no mark. It was made by Alley. It is the Alley Chiquita type dishware. There is a box set of Chiquita on Ebay now.

How many marbles from there ? I have no doubts well over a million. That is over several years and at least ten people with the majority. While we had the lease, we took six to eight, five gallon buckets per day for several days. We had a three leases for a little more than a year. When we found the honey hole. One five day, four nights stretch we stayed with the site 24 hours a day. Nola and myself worked the 7am-7pm. Bill and Griff worked the 7pm to 7am. We had over a hour drive home to clean up, eat, sleep and get right back. I could not do it today. It was exciting but so hard and tired. Probably none of us could do it today.

Bill check out the id page, looking through my swirls.

I think there is still some blood from Bills head, on those concrete beams across the creek. About 1/3 of the building sat across that creek. The creek ran along the road and the building went to the road edge. It was total black under the building even at high noon. The dirt craw space was from about 4ft high to 18 inches high. The copperheads and rats liked it under there. Oh what stories, even when the creek flooded with a couple diggers under the building.

Could have been made at Sistersville, Pennsboro or probably both locations. Stephen B. Just finished editing the latest Alley video for You Tube. There is another one or two yet to come. The last one will probably be info and pictures on the Alley childrens dish sets, Alley small glass animals, flower pots and more. The Tea For Six set, the Pastry set, Tiddle winks, etc. The Alley factory at Pennsboro WV in Glass factory hollow was known by and referred to by the local people as the dish factory. Any child that came by the factory or to visit the factory always left with free marbles or free childrens dishes. Anytime I ask a local about the Alley marbles factory. They looked puzzled and then they would say, oh yes you mean the dish factory. Back then, before and during our dig. Now as it is today. All gone nothing but memories. You can see Nola standing looking angry at the bulldozer, but with great once in a lifetime memories. Gone but not forgotten ! Stephen has some great videos on You Tube for many different marble companies. Plus the Heaton dig and a little of making marbles at DAS. They are all worth the time to view. You will probably learn something from every one of them.

I started to list a pair, a black eyed pea and a sweet pea on ebay this week. But in the pictures I discovered a small annealing fracture in the sweet pea. I have trouble finding many of the Chic Pea's to make groups of the three Vitro Pea's.

Thanks for the link Chad. I forgot about that thread, but it was a few years ago. I was over there to visit Roger and Claudia in late Oct. Can you believe I didn't go to the museum or have any new questions for him, LOL. I found a couple things I wanted to buy. But he said not for sale with a grin. They always have some great antiques. I got away without spending any money. It is always a pleasure just to chat with them.

71 Listings tonight on Ebay for Peltier Zebra. I saw some good ones for $9.99 to $30.00. Plus some with the usual crazy dream prices that are never sold for that. The ones above are good examples. When there are numbers for sale on ebay, facebook, weekly all year long and at all marble shows. I consider them common. Common and rare can be a wide spread depending on what you have been exposed to. Alley Chalkies are common to me. But I would not say they are common to the majority of collectors. Most collectors once they have had two or three years collecting, they have or had more than one Peltier Zebra. If you search serious for six months or a year and cannot find a certain marble. For me that is not a common marble. I have searched and worked for five and ten years to find a certain marble. For me that is a rare marble. I have a difference between rare and desirable. Go find a Akro lunch box marble tomorrow or this month. Go find a Davis Marble Works marble tomorrow or this week. Both expensive and cheaper marbles can be rare or common. I still consider the normal zebra much more common than the bronze zebra. I think the bronze zebra is closer to the rare side than the common side. But that must be because of what I have been exposed to ? For me a common marble is one that is very affordable to most, plentiful big numbers produced, and not difficult to find in a month or two. A Golden Rebel might be common if not for the price they demand. But they are not rare. Cost not considered and I can find one for sale in a month or much less. The Golden Rebel is not rare, just expensive. It is in the middle someplace between a normal Zebra and a Silver Surfer which is rare. The Peltier black zebra was one of the earliest Peltier marbles I learned. Because there were numbers of them at every show, to ask about and hold in hand, they were plentiful. Back then I went to one maybe two shows a year. They were in every marble book I saw. Every collector with a few years behind them, knew them. Within three to four years of my collecting marbles, the Peltier black zebra seemed common to me.

Looking forward to it.

No problem. My post was for everyone not just you. Probably people watching this that never ever makes a post here. Be careful never ever selling a marble till the end. First it is a hundred then a thousand then thousands. Nola has collected 25-30 years and collected steady. Got marbles every month probably every week. She has never ever sold a marble. Then it is way to many to count or even know where they all are when it crosses a million. I didn't sell for years but then I finally gave in and some had to go. Lots more to find new homes in the next 2-3 years. I sold about 50,000 Jabos in two years, a couple years back. The marble bug can bite hard and hang on for years.

The cut lines are not Master.

This goes back to how far we stretch things. We all want to make our marbles the best we can. Many times we try to make them into something that they are not. This is a very common very average normal Peltier zebra, not a bronze zebra. In the pictures above if you look close with a bright light at the edges of the dark color, some pictures you may see blue and some you may see brown. There is very little true black with marble colors. It is usually blue, purple, brown or green when it is thinned enough. When the dark color is thinner over top of the white you get closer to the true color. Unless where it is thin, it has got to a higher temperature and burns where the color can change to brown or even higher black. A true bronze zebra is brown or bronze color for the majority of the dark color. Not just at the thin edge. No bright light needed to see it. It is your marble so you can call it a Bronze Zebra. But the problem is when you show your collection to a experienced collector and say it is a Bronze Zebra. If you are selling it do you say, list or describe it as a Bronze Zebra ? We want it to be a Bronze Zebra for one reason because it has more value than a common zebra. If it was listed or described as a Bronze Zebra ? I would think the seller was taking advantage of a unaware buyer. Most if not all Peltier collectors of a few years would not pay Bronze Zebra price for the marble above. The marble above is about $15.00-$20.00 mint if 5/8 inch. The 5/8 mint Bronze Zebra would be $30.00-$50.00 or more depending on the av. So we hope and stretch it until we have a Bronze Zebra and not the most common average zebra. At almost any show 1/3 or 1/4 of the rooms will have a 5/8 zebra for sale. At the same show you would be lucky to find one or two (if that) Bronze Zebras for sale. This is why they are more valuable. The 0.88 zebra above might be $50.00-$75.00 ? Because of size. What would a 0.88 Bronze Zebra be $500.00 ? Many people confuse these like above as Blue Zebra. For experienced collectors they are not what was named and intended as a Blue Zebra. I have only owned two true Blue Zebras and 5/8 size, in over twenty years. One sold for $250.00 the other sold for $350.00. There was no doubt that they were a true Blue Zebra. Blue color with blue and silver av and no bright light needed. When you have the true thing there are no doubts. The more the stretch goes the more the value gets less until there is no difference. Then it makes no difference if it is a black, bronze or blue zebra. I am sure in the beginning of naming this marble there was only one marble named Zebra. Then more difficult color combinations also got their own name, with most being more valuable than the original. What color is the animal zebra ? That was the original intent. Have you seen a blue zebra animal ? So the name game begins, then the stretch begins. When the stretch goes far enough, collectors then have trouble knowing what each one really is or was. Just because there is a hint of blue or brown does not make it a blue zebra or bronze zebra. The majority rules, the majority should be blue or brown to be as such. For me the one above is a average common Peltier Zebra if it was 5/8 inch. It is larger and more value because of size. Everything I said above has to do with normal around 5/8 inch size. I don't know if I have ever seen a Bronze or Blue Zebra at 0.88, maybe ? A normal black zebra yes, several of them near 0.88 size. So what are your odds that you have that super rare 0.88 size Bronze Zebra ? Maybe you won the lottery ? When we scratch those tickets we want to make the numbers what we want to see. But it is what it is in the end. When we try to get money from it. sooner or later. That is why we want to do the stretch.