JVVmarbles Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Hi there everyone, I just got this marble today and I have no idea what to call it...I think some kind of Submarine. Let me describe it: the size is 1-1/4", it has a clear glass core with thin blue lines on it with a few spaces in between them. Then above this layer (but under the surface) bright yellow/white/orange lines. Then there is another layer on the surface (like an Indian swirl) with lines of bright orange, bright red, rust-red, white and yellow. So there's 3 layers of decoration. The contrast between the dark blue and bright colored lines is amazing. Here are some pics: I'm looking forward to hearing your reactions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTAndrea Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 I'd call it gorgeous, first of all. I guess it's a submarine Joseph's Coat? Simply beautiful and so colorful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FISHSLAYERMARRBLEGRIFF Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Id go with josephs coat.I dont think I would apply the "submarine" term to it. Many onionskins,and josephs coats have color "inside" the marble.You just dont get to see it,unless there is a clear panel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JVVmarbles Posted April 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Id go with josephs coat.I dont think I would apply the "submarine" term to it.Many onionskins,and josephs coats have color "inside" the marble.You just dont get to see it,unless there is a clear panel. It's certainly not a standard JC, this one has bands on the surface, I've never seen a JC that has surface bands and decoration in 3 different layers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsMopar Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 WOW! That's intense and beautiful! Have a great day! :-) Felicia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FISHSLAYERMARRBLEGRIFF Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Well,Ive heard them called "english swirls" and "layered end of days",and "layered josephs coats". This is the first time Ive heard submarine,attatch to the id. Call it what you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtee0 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 how about a Kelly Schmidt? i have one from Kelly thats that intense. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FISHSLAYERMARRBLEGRIFF Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Now thats funny!!!!!! Good one Marie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Hi there everyone, I just got this marble today and I have no idea what to call it...I think some kind of Submarine. Let me describe it: the size is 1-1/4", it has a clear glass core with thin blue lines on it with a few spaces in between them. Then above this layer (but under the surface) bright yellow/white/orange lines. Then there is another layer on the surface (like an Indian swirl) with lines of bright orange, bright red, rust-red, white and yellow. So there's 3 layers of decoration. The contrast between the dark blue and bright colored lines is amazing. Here are some pics: A clear base which looks colored because of the blue lines? Could that be a mist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Or perhaps what Baumann calls a "Colored-Glass Overlay"? Edit: "Clear Overlay". Anyway, he calls them "Indian"-style marbles. The clear overlay is the one with a clear base. The colored-glass overlay has light- or medium-colored base. And after that come the maglites. What Baumann calls submarines have white strands just below the surface, usually in a blue or green base. p.s. Here's what Hansel said in a submarine thread: in addition, submarines *always* have faceted pontils. Indians, banded opaques, joseph coats, lutzes, almost never.Hansel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cvdv Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 It's certainly not a standard JC, this one has bands on the surface, I've never seen a JC that has surface bands and decoration in 3 different layers. Hi J. Youre right, it's not a JC. What it is, I don't know, but it is a beauty. C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimLin Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Hey J, I do not think this is a submarine or a Joseph coat. I think it is a type of mist and Indian hybrid. The surface looks like it has ridges between the colors running from pole to pole, is this true? This marble looks like it might be a dug reject because of the surface. Sure is a pretty marble though. -Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben45887 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 I would call it a Blue Glass Indian with English colors. I have seen very few like this only in the 1/2 to 5/8 in. size. Great looking marble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JVVmarbles Posted April 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 Hey J, I do not think this is a submarine or a Joseph coat. I think it is a type of mist and Indian hybrid. The surface looks like it has ridges between the colors running from pole to pole, is this true? This marble looks like it might be a dug reject because of the surface. Sure is a pretty marble though. -Jim I'm sure it's not a dug marble, it has a finely ground pontil (which dug marbles never have) and wear of being played with. It doesn't have real ridges on the surface, it might just look like that on the photo's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catfish Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 That is a fine specimen JVV. I have an onionskin (which your marble is not) with one opaque yellow band on the surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 I would call it a Blue Glass Indian with English colors. I have seen very few like this only in the 1/2 to 5/8 in. size. Great looking marble. I'm with Ben... It looks to me as if the base color is the cobalt... I can understand the use of submarine, because it obviously has what looks to be white, subbed under the blue... Thing is... If it was a clear base, it wouldn't be noticed as much... So, does that qualify for a Submarine?? I don't think I've ever been totally sure about the correct submarine definition, but I can understand why the term would be thrown around here, correct, or not.... If it's leaning toward an Indian or Banded Opague definition (except it's obviously not opague...) Does the "Mag Light" term come in?? Damn, J... It IS gorgous!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimLin Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 Hi J, Thanks for the replay, a really interesting marble. It would really be nice to see it at one of the shows. -Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 Sue, it IS a clear base. Jeroen said so, and if you look closely at pic #3 you can see past the blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Ooops, I see it now... my bad!! LOL I scanned it too fast.... In that case, I think I would call it an English Joseph's Coat..... It has some features that are not common to a Joseph's Coat.... But, it looks like it does meet most, if not all, of the requirements for a JC.... (How many colors does it have?) 'Seems like the closest "name" for the sake of naming it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinemades Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 I was browsing an old Running Rabbit auctions catalog and came across few examples like that. They were called Submarine Indian swirls. The difference is this one is larger and have the ground pontil. Sami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjohn691500 Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 HOW BOUT AN END OF DAY ONIONSKIN?,,,BJ(caps) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 'Sorry Sami... (And Running Rabbit) I don't see how there's ANYTHING Indian about it.... Maybe "Banded Transparent??" I mean... The #1 primary ID of an Indian is black based glass.... At least, that's how it started... Maybe that's changed along with so many other things..... Kids these days...... :Sad_headshake_tweetz: LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtee0 Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Now thats funny!!!!!!Good one Marie! thanks Fishy. bout time we agreed on something. thanks good buddy:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'llhavethat1 Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Is that a pic of the finely ground pontil or is it on the other pole? Bright "English" colors, probably close to "end of cane" (you know where the layers and construction can get a bit unpredictable). Super looking marble, but I think it's one of those odd-balls that don't quite fit in a specific category Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinemades Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 I have to correct my post in regards the Submarine Indian Swirls in Running Rabbit catalogs. Today I read in one description that most of these have ground pontils. Sami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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