carole154 Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 I think this one is pretty hard to find-at least it seems to be. An opaque cloud. Very difficult marble to photograph. I don't know why that is but it is. carole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTAndrea Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Wow, Carole, I haven't seen one like that before. Can you show us the pontils? Is it vintage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 That really is a cool one, Carole - new to me too. -Ric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carole154 Posted April 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Here's the info on it. RARE GERMAN HANDMADE TRANSLUCENT CLOWN SIMILAR TO THOSE FOUND ON pg. 35-36 "Marble Mania" by Block THE BASE IS TRANSLUCENT AS SHOWN IN THE FIRST PIC. THERE ARE A MYRIAD OF COLOURED FLECKS THAT ARE SPREAD SPORADICALLY AROUND THE MARBLE. WHAT A FEAST FOR THE EYES!! SINGLE PUNTY SINGLE PONTIL. THIS MARBLE MICS AT .70 INCHES/17.8 mm. I'll try to get a pic of the pontil as soon as I can. carole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisCamp Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Never seen one like that before. Sharp marble. Lou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carole154 Posted April 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Thanks Lou. It's really cool in person. carole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'llhavethat1 Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 It's not one of those "czech guineas" types is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carole154 Posted April 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 no, I don't think so but could be I suppose. carole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carole154 Posted April 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Sellers response to the question of Czech. Hi Carole I purchased it from a German marble seller in Germany along with a couple others. These are from Thurenberg (sp). There were a few others that the seller had also. Most of them were purchased by some high end buyers. I'm pretty sure it isn't Czech although it is a later made marble than the early glass ones. carole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purpledog Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 condition: mint- FYI on Carole's marble. This one isn't a Czech although it does resemble one. Not only did I ask question of the dealer, I also did research on it prior to listing it. This marble was purchased from a reputable German dealer that lives there. This is was she had in her ad: made in Haselbach(wernershut) near to Lauscha around 1930/40 Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinemades Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Carole, can you see the pontil. If you can't then it is a Chech Guinea. I see cutlines there. Sami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carole154 Posted April 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Yes, I can see the pontil Sami carole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsMopar Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 That's a nifty marble Carole, very cheerful. Thanx for sharing. Have a blessed day! :-) Felicia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinx Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 I'd have to agree with Sami, I see the seam that he mentioned. I've had three Czech Guineas before and this looks just like them. It is most evident in your second picture (runs from about 7 o'clock to one o'clock) and in the third picture it is at the equator. In both pics you can see on the edges where the seam goes around the marble that it bumps out just slightly. I think these are gorgeous marbles and I wish I'd kept at least one of mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTAndrea Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Probably a stupid question, but are the Czech guineas considered handmade marbles? It's funny that came up, because when I first looked at Carole's pictures, I thought the marble had a guinea-like construction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carole154 Posted April 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Not a stupid question Andrea. I had wondered the same thing. carole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catfish Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 FWIW, I think many of the "Czech" guineas are actually of German origin. My shooter was from germany, and it was from a seller that does a lt of digging at the old glass sites there. And IMHO, the marble at the start of this thread is a so-called 'bullet mold" type. (I dislike that term myself) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziggyzora Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 I'd give it plenty shelf space :Happy_143: but not with German handmades. Wonder if there are any more about? Pics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinemades Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Andrea, European bullet mold Guineas are machine made marbles. Sami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 I would have thought the bullet mold marbles would be considered handmade. At least if the mold were operate by hand. True bullet molds (as in lead bullets) could be operated manually. Were marble molds not? In the 1880's to perhaps the 1920's, it was SAID that sulphides were made in two halves. I've been uncertain about whether that was an accurate report. Here's A. W. Roberts' version from 1883. I think this might have been the source material for articles which appeared in newspapers for years afterward. There was much recycling of filler stories at that time. Some contain figures of animals and birds, and are known as "glass figure marbles." These are pressed in polished metal moulds the parts of which fit so closely together that not the slightest trace of them is to be seen on the alleys, which is not the case with most of the pressed china alleys, for if one looks over a number of them sharply he will detect a small ridge encircling some of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinemades Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 I don't know how they rounded the antique Sulphides, but they have a single pontil. There is a book about them. European Guineas have cutlines/moldlines around the marble. They do not have any pontils. Sami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziggyzora Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 I would have thought the bullet mold marbles would be considered handmade. At least if the mold were operate by hand. True bullet molds (as in lead bullets) could be operated manually. Were marble molds not?In the 1880's to perhaps the 1920's, it was SAID that sulphides were made in two halves. I've been uncertain about whether that was an accurate report. Here's A. W. Roberts' version from 1883. I think this might have been the source material for articles which appeared in newspapers for years afterward. There was much recycling of filler stories at that time. Cant see any similarity between this marble and sulphides. Maybe someone mis-interpreted the reports? With sulphides, the sulphide figure is made in a mould, then put in the marble which is hand made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 It wouldn't be the first mistake ever published. I had mostly trusted the report, but thought it was outdated. Baumann mentions different ways to make sulphides, with one being similar to what Roberts describes, though not quite the same. However, I didn't mean to sidetrack the thread. My real question was about whether or not marble molds were ever operated by hand. I hadn't even guessed that making bullet mold marbles might be what would be called a machine process, so Sami's answer surprised me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sissydear Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 It's possible that the sulfide figure was made in two halves, not the glass marble. Maybe that's what was described in the article. Edna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziggyzora Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 It's possible that the sulfide figure was made in two halves, not the glass marble. Maybe that's what was described in the article. Edna That is how they were made, just as I said in post #22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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