Steph Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) Let's start things off with this seldom seen beauty. Edited June 3, 2015 by Steph Changed thread title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystalspheres Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Maybe you can answer a question about this item. The box you have pictured here looks nothing like the one in Hardy's excellent book The Complete Line of the Akro Agate (attached), what I have always considered the definitive reference on Akro. However the picture of the one in Hardy's book looks exactly like the one that was one Ebay. I collector friend has this same box and it looks just like the one in the book also. Why don't these pictures match? What makes you think the one you have pictured is not a fake? Or do you think the one in Hardy's book is a fake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdesousa Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Maybe you can answer a question about this item. The box you have pictured here looks nothing like the one in Hardy's excellent book The Complete Line of the Akro Agate (attached), what I have always considered the definitive reference on Akro. However the picture of the one in Hardy's book looks exactly like the one that was one Ebay. I collector friend has this same box and it looks just like the one in the book also. Why don't these pictures match? What makes you think the one you have pictured is not a fake? Or do you think the one in Hardy's book is a fake? ZZZmarbles.jpg Neither Hardy's box nor the box in post #1 are fakes. Where did your friend get their box from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystalspheres Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Why are they so different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted June 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 The picture in Hardy's book is 23-years-old. I suspect the lighting skewed the colors. The one "like" this on eBay recently only matched the colors in the Hardy book. It had one significant difference on the label. If I'm correct about my take on the coloring, this could be a case of bad lighting in an old photo tricking the box copier and saving the day for collectors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystalspheres Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 I don't understand, why is the whole layout of the box so different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted June 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Hardy's box is incomplete. However, Hardy's box does look like the blue marbles are the correct size. The inner box was for the smaller marbles. The larger marbles went on the edge. The box on ebay got the marble sizes wrong and I suspect if I saw them closely I would confirm the marble structures were also wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdesousa Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 crystalspheres:"A collector friend has this same box and it looks just like the one in the book also." Did your friend recently buy their box off eBay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystalspheres Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Well, the book should say that that box is incomplete because that makes my friends box also incomplete in exactly the same way, which is curious. However, I sure wouldn't have the heart to tell him that. Well, thanks for the info!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdesousa Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Well, the book should say that that box is incomplete because that makes my friends box also incomplete in exactly the same way, which is curious. However, I sure wouldn't have the heart to tell him that. Well, thanks for the info!!!! There is a good chance your friend's box is fake. You can blame it on Hardy's book or you can tell us where he got his box from or you can believe ignorance is bliss and not "have the heart to tell him that." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystalspheres Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 No. He is an old man and hates computers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdesousa Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 No. He is an old man and hates computers. I too am an old man and I hate computers as well. A genuine box missing an insert is not a real big deal. But if I had a fake box that I thought valuable, and a friend who suspects that it could be fake but does not tell me, I would hope that person would stop calling me their friend. Where did he get his box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted June 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Well, since we're only talking about this one box here, I'll change the title of the thread. We can start a different thread for other boxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumblebee Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Fiat lux! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystalspheres Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Bumblebee, that's pretty cool. Have you tried that with that Ebay box? Hdesousa, that's pretty harsh. If I had a friend that made hot dogs, I would hope he wouldn't tell me how they were made so I could keep on enjoying them. My friend is not into worth but aesthetics and we are way beyond either of us ever NOT calling the other friend. I will ask him where he got his Akro box and see if I can get a photo, but knowing him he probably still uses a Brownie with real film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted June 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Look at the bar on the Ebay box. And that is not the only difference in the print. I don't like giving people lessons on how to improve the details of their reproductions. But the Ebay box does not match the Hardy box. And that is in addition to the marbles being wrong and the box structure sending up warning flags. Ebay: Hardy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted June 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 It's a scary good copy, and the forger's next copy is going to be even better now that they see some of the things they need to fix. Someone is going to get burned. But I'm still glad I got to learn about the real deal. And hopefully the forger will still make some other mistakes so we can catch them again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disco005 Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 hmmm, reading stuff like this makes it terrifying for a collector like me. I've been a collector for a few years, but never packaging or boxes. You guys are awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Thats a very nice box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBlock Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Also at the risk of help forgers produce better boxes, it would be nice to see magnified images of the label (to determine the printing method used) and also magnified images of the inside and outside box corners (to determine construction). Forget the marbles, anyone can throw marbles in a box. Also, the Hardy box paper covering the cardboard is different than the box in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Also look at the silver paper with blue print. This is something Akro used often enough. My two boxes of prize names have labels onthe same paper with the same blue print. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted June 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Good observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 In case you miss my post in the other thread I believe all the GAR boxes with those dates are fake as there does not appear to be ant legit record of A GAR gathering on that date. And definitely not in Washington D.C. Maybe some super squirrel deep research can prove me wrong?? G.A.R records 24-28 August 1930 Cincinnati, Ohio Sixty-fourth National GAR Encampment 3-6 June 1930 Biloxi, Mississippi Fortieth National UCV Reunion 13-18 September 1931 Des Moines, Iowa Sixty-fifth National GAR Encampment 2-5 June 1931 Montgomery, Alabama Forty-first National UCV Reunion 18-24 September 1932 Springfield, Illinois Sixty-sixth National GAR Encampment 21-24 June 1932 Richmond, Virginia Forty-second National UCV Reunion 17-22 September 1933 St. Paul, Minnesota Sixty-seventh National GAR Encampment 12-18 August 1934 Rochester, New York Sixty-eighth National GAR Encampment 6-8 June 1934 Chattanooga, Tennessee Forty-fourth National UCV Reunion 8-14 September 1935 Grand Rapids, Michigan Sixty-ninth National GAR Encampment 3-6 September 1935 Amarillo, Texas Forty-fifth National UCV Reunion 20-26 September 1936 Washington, D.C. Seventieth National GAR Encampment 9-12 June 1936 Shreveport, Louisiana Forty-sixth National UCV Reunion 5-10 September 1937 Madison, Wisconsin Seventy-first National GAR Encampment 9-12 June 1937 Jackson, Mississippi Forty-seventh National UCV Reunion 4-9 September 1938 Des Moines, Iowa Seventy-second National GAR Encampment 29 June-6 July 1938 Gettysburg, Pennsylvania Blue and Gray Reunion 30-31 August-1-2 September 1938 Columbia, South Carolina Forty-eighth National UCV Reunion 27 August-1 September 1939 Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Seventy-third National GAR Encampment 22-25 August 1939 Trinidad, Colorado Forty-ninth National UCV Reunion 8-13 September 1940 Springfield, Illinois Seventy-fourth National GAR Encampment 8-11 October 1940 Washington, D.C. Fiftieth National UCV Reunion 14-19 September 1941 Columbus, Ohio Seventy-fifth National GAR Encampment 14-15 October 1941 Atlanta, Georgia Fifty-first National UCV Reunion 13-18 September 1942 Indianapolis, Indiana Seventy-sixth National GAR Encampment 23-26 June 1942 Chattanooga, Tennessee Fifty-second National UCV Reunion 19-24 September 1943 Milwaukee, Wisconsin Seventy-seventh National GAR Encampment 10-15 September 1944 Des Moines, Iowa Seventy-eighth National GAR Encampment 30 September-4 October 1945 Columbus, Ohio Seventy-ninth National GAR Encampment 25-30 August 1946 Indianapolis, Indiana Eightieth National GAR Encampment 10-14 August 1947 Cleveland, Ohio Eighty-first National GAR Encampment 28-30 September 1948 Grand Rapids, Michigan Eighty-second National GAR Encampment 5-7 October 1948 Montgomery, Alabama Fifty-eighth National UCV Reunion 28 August-1 September 1949 Indianapolis, Indiana Eighty-third National GAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted June 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 That would mean someone was faking Akro boxes by 1992. With fancy labels and what appear to be well-matched fish-eye marbles. I'll try to do some digging. And I know at least one other who will try to meet the challenge. I hope we find the convention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 wanna bet a marble on it?? I know, back one day and already starting s***(LOL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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