J_Ding Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 0.58." It matches some single seam early machines I've seen. Is this one of them? Akro or CAC? Or something else? Let's discuss. I like this one, despite being dinged, and not flashy in color. I don't require flashy in color (it's nice, but not required) John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 Looks like a folded up 2 seam slag to me. (not a standard single seam IMO) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 Any guess of maker? I wanna guess CAC because of the coverage. Am I just making that up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sclsu Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 Any guess of maker? I wanna guess CAC because of the coverage. Am I just making that up? I would think it would be because of the seam, not the coverage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 I think I see what Galen sees. It looks like the second seam is buried deep in the fold but . . .? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 could be a folded up 2 seam CAC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Ding Posted October 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 Well, I got it under my microscope, and I only see one seam. The actually seam is straight and shortish and arcing, and the turns up and down are cold rolls/folds..louping off the seam. The glass turns around the whole marble and meets neatly at the seam. If there were two, they are in the same place. Just what I'm seeing, for what its worth. Thanks! John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 hmmm,Looking for a fold,I can't see a fold,is it not visible? I think I don't understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinemades Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 It looks like a MFC slag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 After a good night's rest,I think,I understand what Galen means by "folded up 2 seam slag". Is it:the second seam is below the visible seam,or am I completely wrong? What do you think about this one,I've found it in Holland,it has 1 seam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Yes Winnie,that looks like one. I believe on a rare occasion 2 seam marbles get foded it such a way that one seam gets hidden under the other. They do not look like the simple cutline one should find on a single seam marble.( which should be handgathered marbles??) Like the one you show they appear more like the glass is pulled over the top of the other seam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Ding Posted October 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Thanks everyone. I still see no evidence of one beneath the other, and but I'm not trying to make this one a single seam. I just want to understand. And I really, really don't see how this could be MFC...if it is, I don't have another with quite these glass characteristics in the least. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinemades Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 What is the charasteristics of the glass that do not match MFC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Ding Posted October 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Apologies, not trying to poke, trying to learn. I think that that color is more yellow-ish than amber...I guess the picture is not as bright yellow when back-lit with a flash (I'll try this later), and seems a little off from my experience. Experience is all that I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 All MFCs are hand gathered marbles and 99.9 percent of them have a 9 or similar pattern usually with a tail and a simple cutline. I see none of those characteristics in this marble. But I certainly am only guessing at what I feel it is. I am not positive at all. I wonder what this marble would look like if bith cutoffs would have been hidden in the fold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Monkey wrench time! How about an accidentally single-seam Japanese marble? Or an accidentally single-seam Pelt Rainbo? What kind of marbles did it come with, John? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinemades Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Galen, Your percentage for '9' and tail is way off. Please expand how you came up with such a high number. There are many MFC marbles that do not have a '9'. Also the color is exact match to MFC slags. Another creative supposition is a cut line on a cut line. I do not see a connection to the original marble to the last Akro folded reject cork. Sami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'llhavethat1 Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Pic 4 in the OP gives me the non- USA vibe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Just going by the book about MFCs. And every box of MFCs I have ever seen. They were all handgathered in the same method they made their opaque types. American Cornelians(Oxbloods), Persian Turquoise, Oriental Jade, Imperial Jade . These all almost always exhibit a nine and a tail just as their Onyx marbles(slags) do. A nine and a tail has been used to describe MFC marbles as long as I can remember and it is one of the more accurate descriptions of a marble companies marbles. I have Cohills book if you want to read it. MFC never made a marble that was not handgathered, unlike CAC Akro and Peltier that eventually stopped handgathering and used gob feeders. I feel my 999 out of 1000 showing the handgathering pattern is not too exaggerated. I was just using the Akro as an example of things that can happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Ding Posted October 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Monkey wrench time! How about an accidentally single-seam Japanese marble? Or an accidentally single-seam Pelt Rainbo? What kind of marbles did it come with, John? Sometimes I'm sure, but this one I am not positive...I think it slipped through an initial sort of several really nice lots of hoarded, unsorted mibs. If it was what I think, there was a bit of everything in there: American transitionals, MFCs and other slags and nice corks and other goodies; very good diversity. But I've also found some nice jars recently, and it could have been found there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Ding Posted October 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Just going by the book about MFCs. And every box of MFCs I have ever seen. They were all handgathered in the same method they made their opaque types. American Cornelians(Oxbloods), Persian Turquoise, Oriental Jade, Imperial Jade . These all almost always exhibit a nine and a tail just as their Onyx marbles(slags) do. A nine and a tail has been used to describe MFC marbles as long as I can remember and it is one of the more accurate descriptions of a marble companies marbles. I have Cohills book if you want to read it. MFC never made a marble that was not handgathered, unlike CAC Akro and Peltier that eventually stopped handgathering and used gob feeders. I feel my 999 out of 1000 showing the handgathering pattern is not too exaggerated. I was just using the Akro as an example of things that can happen. I have Cohill too, and I agree. I just can't get MFC from this marble, that's all. I hope to take some pictures of this one again, differently, to give a better sense of the glass and its general features. I wonder, did MFC make a more yellow than amber glass? I don't recall if Cohill mentions it. I also think that post #18 might have a point to consider: Not American. I appreciate seeing all the ideas on this mib. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 I do not believe MFC made a true yellow transparent glass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Ding Posted October 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 I do not believe MFC made a true yellow transparent glass. Thank you. That was my understanding reading Cohill. (I'll go back and look, but I don't recall yellow mentioned either). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 My understanding as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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