bumblebee Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 Anybody remember those small super bright mystery marbles that sort of resemble Vacor Dragons that showed up about 20 years ago and are always mint and often found with older Vacors? Now that I have seen the Vacor Guacamaya marbles, which were only released in Mexico, I'm betting my money they are an early run of those. Here's some Guacamayas: And here's images of the mystery marble (usually around 9/16") that some speculate was torch made or some German machine made. Thoughts? Impressions? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 Have you had any exchanges with Ricardo Mendoza on Facebook? He has some wonderful Vacors from 60's and 70's. I don't know what he knows about 20 years ago, but worth asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royal3 Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 I’d say it’s highly likely from anecdotal evidence and the absence of other strong candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Oregon Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 I thought they might have been an earlier version of the Dragon - same colors but a much more defined pattern. Just like the early Michelangelo as compared to the subsequent runs. Here is a picture of one of my bags of Dragons (nowhere near as nice but similar colors). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckEye Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 The ones you are comparing to have aventurine in the transparent green. Do yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Oregon Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 Not sure if you are asking about my bag or...? I don't see any aventurine in the OP pic but doesn't mean there is not any. I do not have that bag in front of me so can't tell if any aventurine although I have seen specks of it in some Vacor (Mega) marbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumblebee Posted November 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 On 11/16/2019 at 9:03 PM, BuckEye said: The ones you are comparing to have aventurine in the transparent green. Do yours? The two that I got from a Vacor bin at the OC Marble Show two years ago have specks of aventurine in the dark semi-transparent green, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumblebee Posted November 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 On 11/15/2019 at 6:27 PM, Steph said: Have you had any exchanges with Ricardo Mendoza on Facebook? He has some wonderful Vacors from 60's and 70's. I don't know what he knows about 20 years ago, but worth asking. He said he has "similar" but wants to search around to find them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckEye Posted November 19, 2019 Report Share Posted November 19, 2019 On 11/18/2019 at 10:45 AM, bumblebee said: The two that I got from a Vacor bin at the OC Marble Show two years ago have specks of aventurine in the dark semi-transparent green, yes. Ok that’s interesting. They came from stock boxes? I have some from vacor that don’t and then there are these with the green av all over the trans green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumblebee Posted November 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, BuckEye said: Ok that’s interesting. They came from stock boxes? I have some from vacor that don’t and then there are these with the green av all over the trans green. It was a seller who had compiled his own box of Vacors, so definitely not original stock boxes. I only got two and then traded one so I've only seen two in hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenb Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 Hello, I believe your marble is in fact Vacor Guacamaya , here are a few examples. They seem to generally have : two shades of green in the base , the darker green is translucent. They also seem to have yellow ribbons , paired by either orange, purple or coral ribbons. Those are just my observations , they are not Mega Marbles Dragons , but they were made by Vacor de Mexico and marketed and sold in Mexico . I hope this helps . -Stephen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumblebee Posted November 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 5 hours ago, stephenb said: Hello, I believe your marble is in fact Vacor Guacamaya , here are a few examples. They seem to generally have : two shades of green in the base , the darker green is translucent. They also seem to have yellow ribbons , paired by either orange, purple or coral ribbons. Those are just my observations , they are not Mega Marbles Dragons , but they were made by Vacor de Mexico and marketed and sold in Mexico . I hope this helps . -Stephen Thanks for sharing more of your photos. My hunch equals your hunch. That being said, the examples I have found of the extremely vivid ones are all closer to 9/16" than 5/8". I sure wish we had insider knowledge from Vacor employees who could give insights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinemades Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 I have one that I thought was German circus is very similar to this in colors but I am not 100% sure. Mine has a handgathered 9 and tail, loaded with very fine silver and green aventurine in transparent green ribbons at both poles and has the thick egg yolk properties on yellow ribbons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumblebee Posted November 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 52 minutes ago, machinemades said: I have one that I thought was German circus is very similar to this in colors but I am not 100% sure. Mine has a handgathered 9 and tail, loaded with very fine silver and green aventurine in transparent green ribbons at both poles and has the thick egg yolk properties on yellow ribbons. Do you have photos of yours, especially the nine and tail you see? I seem to recall that some people were calling these "German circus" at one point but there was also another type of colorful marbles (with seams, maybe?) that others called a German circus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinemades Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 I took a short video but was too large to upload. I’ll try to take few nice pictures in the coming days. I am very curious about this mystery marble also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumblebee Posted November 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Here's mine thanks to the iPhone. mystery_vacor_or_what.mov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nantucketdink Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 I believe the Guacamayas and Dragons are the same. These were just a nice early run of them. It is very possible these nice ones didn't get marketed in the USA, but they are the same marble style as the dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nantucketdink Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 ugh, that came out tiny. It is Vacor paperwork IDing the Guacamaya top left. Same marble as Dragon. Their example doesn't include the nice extra colors or other variations that can show up in marbles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumblebee Posted November 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Nantucketdink said: ugh, that came out tiny. It is Vacor paperwork IDing the Guacamaya top left. Same marble as Dragon. Their example doesn't include the nice extra colors or other variations that can show up in marbles The forum will now accept (and re-size) images of any size, so no worries about shrinking images in order to post. I got two "Twisters" from the same guy who had the mystery marbles, and the quality of the glass had people assuming I had CACs at the show. I wonder if Vacor produces first run or "design run" versions of a given marble using the highest quality glass in order to create an ideal representation of the marble, then mass produces it using the cheaper glass. That's speculation to a degree, but it's widely known the early runs us higher quality glass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenb Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Bumble bee that is an amazing marble . One issue I have about the thought process about Guacamaya being an early version of Dragonis the other color combos that show up with Guacamaya. Just thinking out loud. Here are the other variations I have found 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenb Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Bumblebee, maybe your marble doesn’t quite match up to the ones I’ve posted. I’m a little stumped on it to be honest. Does it look machine made to you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumblebee Posted November 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, stephenb said: Bumblebee, maybe your marble doesn’t quite match up to the ones I’ve posted. I’m a little stumped on it to be honest. Does it look machine made to you ? In hand it does not look handmade to me. Under a loupe its surface texture is exactly like that of those sharp Twisters I posted. Surface is covered with many small dimples. Looks very much like the 9/16" Dragon surface I got in the same lot. I don't have a lot of contemporary handmades, but the ones I looked at were extremely smooth with almost no dimpling. Here's all the views from that eBay auction of vacors that appears to have two of these and a 3rd oddball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinemades Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 I got the same message regarding the size. So I couldn’t upload my video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinemades Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 5E6ADF2A-00C3-45B2-B132-C5131A148AE5.MOV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumblebee Posted November 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Wow lots of aventurine on yours and what appears to be a big 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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