Chocolate 🍫 something

[Tommy]

This has got to be some kinda chocolate mib .

Thanks for looking 

[wvrons]

Probably Vitro. Not positive with these pics. 

[Tommy]

Yea those didn't come out right😔

[Tommy]

Better pics..

[I'llhavethat1]

could be Pelt

[Ric]

I see Peltier possibilities too.

[Tommy]

Thanks everyone. The brown is hard to capture the pattern in. 

[Tommy]

Any more thoughts on this mib before I put in with the pelts...?

Thanks for looking 👍 

[wvrons]

I still see Vitro.  The second group of pictures helped me. The third one down has the very typical V fold in the brown and white. The same butt crack fold as Jabo because Jabo was using the original Vitro machines, shears and set up with the short glass stream from the furnace to the shear. You can also see the v fold in the second picture in the brown. 

I don't see the normal number of ribbons for Peltier. it does not flip flop like some Peltier.  Odd color combination for Peltier. Vitro used these colors in lots of marbles. How many Peltier do you have with this V fold ? If Peltier, is it NLR or Rainbo ?   Looks more Vitro and Akro with that white wing pattern to me than Peltier. 

[Tommy]

Thanks Ron. Your explanation on the butt crack fold just helped me with that 

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[William]

Nice. That just helped me out alot also, Ron. If it was mentioned before, I must have either missed it or forgot about the Jabo/ Vitro process connection. I should re-review my Jabos. Great information.

[Ric]

Again, I really don't like to question Ron, because it usually doesn't end well for me - other than getting some more schooling. But I know he doesn't mind a little honest debate either. So I definitely agree it would be weird colors for Pelt, and that the V fold on Pelts is not common (although, I have seen it on more than one). But I do see flipped four ribbon pattern, I think.

It does look like there might be a little separation in the top #1 ribbon, maybe it just dipped below the base a little on the edge?

 

[wvrons]

A good friendly honest discussion is great. If it is friendly, honest and not attacks. In the end someone always learns more. There are many unanswered questions around marbles and we need to have a open mind to keep moving forward. I have learned something new every week for the past 25 years with marbles. I have never found a human yet that knew everything about marbles. Some may have thought they did. I remember you having some good endings and teaching me Ric.  Ten people can look at the same marble and at least five of them will look at or see something that the others do not. Each one of those five or six may see something different that the other people do. Open eyes and also open mind is required for marbles. 

[Fire1981]

I’ve been checking this one out. As much as I’d like to think it’s a Pelt I think it’s a Jabo. The baseglass color and the way the pattern  pulls through and splits the baseglass. 

[Ric]

JABO? It'd be a really weird one. While they did make a few marbles with seams, in some newer runs, they aren't that common. I don't think this is one of them.

[Tommy]

Its a discussion mib . Love these...I'm setting up a full time marble area....for pics and sorting . I'll put up some crisp pics soon....

[Fire1981]

I definitely see the 1-2 flip flop. That’s what I think makes this a hard one. 

[Fire1981]

Tommy ! Can you backlight that with a flashlight and tel us what color the baseglass is ? 

[wvrons]

The fold or butt crack is a Vitro trait that followed over onto Jabo marbles.  Now people call it the Jabo butt crack. But it also appears on as many Vitros as Jabos. It happens a lot when there is a very short glass stream from the furnace to the shear. The glass stream does not have time to turn or twist as it falls, It is so short that it just folds over on itself or into itself as it hits the shear plate or blade. It makes the color form a V or wing pattern where the glass was pulled as it folded into itself. It is sometimes a rough roll mark,. Not cold roll mark just a roll mark. The marble above looks like it has a crease or roll mark that you could feel. Where the white folded inside with the brown. The actual shear cut lines will be on both sides of the fold, out some space from the fold.

It is not a Jabo. 

Peltier flip fop is when the four colored, two different colors ribbons meet the opposite color at the cut lines or seams.  Two ribbons of blue and two ribbons of green. The end of one blue ribbon meets the end of the green ribbon at the cut line where they meet. Peltier is the only company that does this regularly as standard production. I never understood how that happened or how it was done. Until I saw some original Peltier equipment blue prints. Then it was simple. I was shocked that no other company did it . 

 

[wvrons]

Most people know the Peltier flip flop. I did not put it into words very good. I do not see the colors flip flop in this marble above.

Peltier flip flop where the ribbon color ends at the cut lines.

blue   meets   green  

green  meets  blue

The marble above where the ribbon color ends at the cut lines. 

red   meets  white

red   meets  white         

If Peltier flip flop it would be 

red    meets   white

white   meets   red

[Ric]

I think straight-on shots of the seams might help clear this up, because I'm still not seeing two same color ribbons on the same half of the marble. Although that top red ribbon looks like it was pushed up toward the other side by the fold.

 

I thought the flip-flop was more like:

LEFT  |  RIGHT

red     |  white

white |  red

or rotated to the other seam:

white |  red

red     |  white

[Chuck G]

Everyone has (always) great input and we learn from a lot of information shared. I, (well for me) on this example i see a (wonky) Vitro "All Red", but that is my opinion. Chuck G---

[Tommy]

Thanks for all the comments I think I got some way better pics.

Hope these are what you were looking for.

[Fire1981]

Flip Flop sold me. Pelt FWIW

[Tommy]

Bump....cause I don't know how to link this to another discussion....lol