SherryFain Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 Any ID on this one? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire1981 Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 I’ll kick it and say Pelt MTS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SherryFain Posted October 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 3 hours ago, Fire1981 said: I’ll kick it and say Pelt MTS What does MTS stand for? Thanks for helping this newbie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire1981 Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 Multi-Swirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Oregon Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 MCS - Multi-Color Swirl (have not heard of MTS). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire1981 Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 Thank you Al. I didn't think that was the right. DUUUUHHH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad G. Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 Looks like a Peltier Rams head pattern to me ?? I don't see an MCS, MCR or a Ying-Yang pattern ?? I consulted a few "Pelthead" buddies and agreed that it was "probably" supposed to be a Pelt Dragon, the chevrons on the side of the Rams Head pattern are "usually" attributed to Pelt, a manufacture defect "Yes" but a highly desirable & identifiable one. Rams Head Pattern Chevrons 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SherryFain Posted October 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 Wow that’s pretty freaking awesome!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvrons Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 I see Jabo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad G. Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 17 hours ago, wvrons said: I see Jabo. Oh boy !! I just looked at a couple Jabo Rams Head earlier for sale on Ebay too !! I'll still say pelt as to the construction and colors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvrons Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 Every swirl company made Rams Head, Chevron, and Ying Yang patterns. They are all errors. When the hot glass glob did not spin on its own axis in all directions. Because of many reasons, temperature, size, speed, and more. They happened every day. Sometimes every hour or every four hours or every six hours. Vitro made a lot of swirls in larger sizes, they are errors. The larger the marble, the harder it is to control everything. Akro made swirls and Marble King made swirls, they are errors, not planned standard production. Put a fancy name on a mistake, error or non standard production marbles and raise the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SherryFain Posted October 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 I love beautiful mistakes :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck G Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 Who made this is a good question. I know many have their ideas and thoughts and opinions so if this is Jabo, i would love to see this color combo in Jabo and what run name was it. Prove is important when discussing marbles. We all learn from these discussion. I can match this color combo to Peltier, but i have not seen that many different runs of Jabos so that color could very well be matched. Chuck G--- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akroorka Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 Thanks Chuck, just to add to the confusion--I have seen Alleys with these colors. Call them like you see them! Marble--On!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'llhavethat1 Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 Pattern looks like a couple Pelts I used to have but agree that sometimes these patterns just happen. I don't think it's a Pelt,...translucent red on a Dragon just doesn't seem right (but I haven't seen them all) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire1981 Posted October 7, 2021 Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 Could we see a few more pics of this marble ? I curious if a few pics might show another trait that could be Pelt/Jabo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SherryFain Posted October 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 Sorry wrong post brb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SherryFain Posted October 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 51 minutes ago, Fire1981 said: Could we see a few more pics of this marble ? I curious if a few pics might show another trait that could be Pelt/Jabo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvrons Posted October 7, 2021 Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 Is there a color combo that was not used by Jabo ? Jabo made billions of marbles 1994 to 2008, before any special investor runs happened. When you make millions and millions per week for many years. You will end up with most color combinations possible. Some are unique but they are few and usually three, four or five colors combinations. It is green base with brown added. I am not 100% sure who made it. But I get just as much feelings for Jabo or any swirl company as I do Peltier. It is a error, a mistake, non standard production which makes it very difficult to id accurate. What are the traits with the original marble that point to Peltier the most ? I disagree highly that the Chevron or Rams Head or Ying Yang patterns are Peltier traits any more than many other companies. The largest picture in the group of six above looks like many different companies swirl marbles. Alley, Ravenswood, Champion, Jabo, etc. With that picture what looks Peltier ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akroorka Posted October 7, 2021 Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 Good job again Sherry--you are keeping a lot of folks busy--Images of all sides matter as you can see from the reactions. keep em comin! Marble--On!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire1981 Posted October 7, 2021 Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 Definitely not a Pelt. The extra pics helped for sure. Jabo. Nothing in the extra pics showed any Pelt traits. FWIW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Posted October 7, 2021 Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 15 hours ago, wvrons said: Every swirl company made Rams Head, Chevron, and Ying Yang patterns. They are all errors. When the hot glass glob did not spin on its own axis in all directions. Because of many reasons, temperature, size, speed, and more. They happened every day. Sometimes every hour or every four hours or every six hours. Vitro made a lot of swirls in larger sizes, they are errors. The larger the marble, the harder it is to control everything. Akro made swirls and Marble King made swirls, they are errors, not planned standard production. Put a fancy name on a mistake, error or non standard production marbles and raise the price. Too bad Miken has never did this with their error softball bats. Wrong kevlar sleeve, wrong mold, wrong mandrel, any errors in process found down the line are just marked "blems" and sold at discount Alot of this decision was based on performance issues but some blem products over the years I know they could have labeled a "hybrid" of some sort and sold for profit. Anyway, errors at discount rates or otherwise is the better option versus scrap 😊 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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