what do you make of this copper sparkler but no pontils? .62

[Jeremysvt]

[Steph]

I'm guessing contemp.  

But I don't know how smooth it's possible for old marble makers to having gotten the ends of their marbles.  Mostly I'm posting so I will get the notification when someone else comments.  

[William]

I'm really interested to see what the consensus is myself....it's nice though 👍

[Chad G.]

x2, I'm seeing a contemporary mib as well. 

[Jeremysvt]

9 minutes ago, Steph said:

I'm guessing contemp.  

But I don't know how smooth it's possible for old marble makers to having gotten the ends of their marbles.  Mostly I'm posting so I will get the notification when someone else comments.  

thanks it was my first thought too, but was was with some other germans and a nice group and would be the only contemporary so stumped.

[Alan]

Its quite out-of-focus.  But I'll go with modern until better pics are posted.

[Jeremysvt]

7 minutes ago, Alan said:

Its quite out-of-focus.  But I'll go with modern until better pics are posted.

here are better picks now that the sun went down

[jameswymer]

That looks like Lutz. 

[Jeremysvt]

10 minutes ago, jameswymer said:

That looks like Lutz. 

i was hoping

[Jeremysvt]

10 minutes ago, jameswymer said:

That looks like Lutz. 

it seems more copper then gold though

[Steph]

Yes, it's lutz.  I know that much.  Yes, it would be copper.  Lutz is copper. 

*looks around to see if she's saying anything stupid*  

*she thinks she's in the clear* 

 

 

[Jeremysvt]

11 hours ago, Steph said:

Yes, it's lutz.  I know that much.  Yes, it would be copper.  Lutz is copper. 

*looks around to see if she's saying anything stupid*  

*she thinks she's in the clear* 

 

 

i thought lutz was gold?

[wvrons]

Goldstone or gold lutz is made from copper.  It is not a Sparkler, sparklers are machine made.  I agree that it is modern contemporary. 

[Jeremysvt]

does seem like may be faceted possibly, but would it be faceted on both ends?

[Steph]

It's way past time that I should learn what "faceted" means on a glass marble.  I in the mood to learn things this morning.  Anyone have close ups of what facets look like on the antique marbles? 

[Jeremysvt]

there seems to be a thumb nail dimple cut. trying to get pictures but hard.

[Jeremysvt]

3 hours ago, wvrons said:

Goldstone or gold lutz is made from copper.  It is not a Sparkler, sparklers are machine made.  I agree that it is modern contemporary. 

i just meant it was sparkly.  i tried to get a pic of the thumbnail indent 

[Chad G.]

4 hours ago, Steph said:

It's way past time that I should learn what "faceted" means on a glass marble.  I in the mood to learn things this morning.  Anyone have close ups of what facets look like on the antique marbles? 

Faceting resembles the facets on a gemstone (thus the word faceting) usually way les but still faceted. There are 3 types of terminations to where the cane was cut  or (terminated) while forming the marble.  "Faceted" i.e. the oldest type : melted pigtail : & unfinished.  Faceting was accomplished by "grinding" the end down, creating the familiar "flat spots"  of "faceting"

 

Melted pigtail, sometimes the pigtail is so obliterated (melted) that it will be barely visible.

 

 Faceted : not a very good pic but the best In could come up with, you can see one of the "facets" visible near the upper center right hand side. I don't know how good you screen is but a few other facets are visible to me in this pic.

Both ends are "unfinished" on this Joseph Coat, I estimate the manufacture date my handmades using this, that and the colors are usually far brighter on the latter. Faceting was mostly done away with by 1870-1880, the higher demand for "gameboard" marbles in the late Victorian era made for much smaller sizes and the quicker production method of the unfinished ends.

 

Faceted on one end and a melted pigtail on the other usually indicates a manufacture date of between 1850-1870 or thereabouts.

Later manufacture (1870-1910,15) usually showed a great reduction in size along both ends being unfinished (quicker production) & brighter colors, these marbles were also often called English, though they were  produced in Germany for the "English" gameboard market.

[I'llhavethat1]

Something looks wonky with that Lutz, a re-melt would be my guess.

The peppermint swirl (red,white, blue) in the group shot also looks a bit suspect in terms of the reverse twist and number of red bands.

[I'llhavethat1]

WRT faceted pontils, This is the best I was able to do with my trusty 5MP years ago (on the red and yellow). 

[Chad G.]

2 minutes ago, I'llhavethat1 said:

WRT faceted pontils, This is the best I was able to do with my trusty 5MP years ago (on the red and yellow). 

Nice pic of faceting, way better than mine   

[Jeremysvt]

12 hours ago, I'llhavethat1 said:

Something looks wonky with that Lutz, a re-melt would be my guess.

The peppermint swirl (red,white, blue) in the group shot also looks a bit suspect in terms of the reverse twist and number of red bands.

the peppermint does have a pontil and mica in the blue

[Da Roberto]

Faceted pontil, is when the pontil point is eliminated or reduced using a grinding wheel ....

[I'llhavethat1]

7 hours ago, Jeremysvt said:

the peppermint does have a pontil and mica in the blue

I'll stick with my original opinion of remelt on the Lutz, suspect on the peppermint. 

[Jeremysvt]

6 minutes ago, I'llhavethat1 said:

I'll stick with my original opinion of remelt on the Lutz, suspect on the peppermint. 

,here are a few of the peppermint: