Steph Posted September 27, 2023 Report Share Posted September 27, 2023 Been chatting with Ralph Lucht and he postulated something I don't remember hearing before. Proposal: Guineas weren't actually made at Christensen Agate Co. They were made by Arnold Fiedler at Cambridge Glass from canes and rounded on modified MF Christensen machines. Then they were sold in limited quantities through Christensen Agate. Ralph has spoken with people relatively close to the source about this. Seems a touchy subject. Many are like me with no well-formed opinions about them and watch from the sidelines. Those willing to get into the discussion seem to have strong opinions and positions are quickly fortified with no movement. And Guineas remain mysterious. So, I _am_ intrigued by the idea that Guineas are actually Fiedler Cambridge marbles sort of jobbered through Christensen Agate rather than made there. So I am starting a new discussion on it! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted September 27, 2023 Report Share Posted September 27, 2023 Interesting...you think it could be the same with the cobra type Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akroorka Posted September 27, 2023 Report Share Posted September 27, 2023 Here is a thread from AAM. Was The Cambridge glass site dug? Were marble machines found there? I do not know. Explain the cullet---- https://www.allaboutmarbles.com/viewtopic.php?t=18298&sid=f3bf52f0f4614fdd6e76fb0eb03e9c72 Good stuff Steph! Marble--On!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted September 27, 2023 Report Share Posted September 27, 2023 Which is more controversial, the idea they were made at Cambridge Glass or the idea they were made from canes? Regardless, I'd be interested to see evidence supporting either of those propositions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akroorka Posted September 27, 2023 Report Share Posted September 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ric said: Which is more controversial, the idea they were made at Cambridge Glass or the idea they were made from canes? Both are equal imho. Marble--On!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvvaRae Posted September 27, 2023 Report Share Posted September 27, 2023 I found this article interesting as a second to this post https://thesecretlifeofmarbles.com/cambridge-glass-company-marbles-a-second-look/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akroorka Posted September 27, 2023 Report Share Posted September 27, 2023 Here is an Amazon link to the book-- https://www.amazon.com/Arnold-Fiedler-Glass-Marble-Excellence/dp/1456737023 Read the reviews. Marble--On!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted September 27, 2023 Report Share Posted September 27, 2023 The cane-cut Guinea approach has been discussed, although mostly some time ago. I see no inconsistencies with that understanding, especially when one studies the construction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted September 27, 2023 Report Share Posted September 27, 2023 Here's an old thread that some folks might find interesting . . . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe2 Posted September 27, 2023 Report Share Posted September 27, 2023 Gone fishing, always looking for a can of worms to open up. Very intriguing,♥️it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slagmarble Posted September 28, 2023 Report Share Posted September 28, 2023 I had an opportunity to buy a dug chunk of guinea "cane". Normally this is out of my wheelhouse but was too interesting to pass on, at least until it's final price was realized. Can't comment on the rest but there does seem to be physical evidence to support part of the manufacturing process. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted September 28, 2023 Report Share Posted September 28, 2023 1 hour ago, slagmarble said: I had an opportunity to buy a dug chunk of guinea "cane". Normally this is out of my wheelhouse but was too interesting to pass on, at least until it's final price was realized. Can't comment on the rest but there does seem to be physical evidence to support part of the manufacturing process. That's interesting, a photo would be great, if possible, but a description of the piece could be helpful too. I assume it was dug at the CAC factory? How thick was it? Was it smooth and uniform like a piece of pre-worked cane, or was it more like a drawn out piece from a worked one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slagmarble Posted September 28, 2023 Report Share Posted September 28, 2023 From memory it just looked like a rod shaped chunk of raw guinea material...transparent base with frit specs melted into the surface just like the marbles. Wasn't huge, but it also wasn't just a blob of marbles all melted together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted September 28, 2023 Report Share Posted September 28, 2023 50 minutes ago, slagmarble said: From memory it just looked like a rod shaped chunk of raw guinea material...transparent base with frit specs melted into the surface just like the marbles. Wasn't huge, but it also wasn't just a blob of marbles all melted together. Thank you for responding - I appreciate it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiedlerschauffer Posted September 29, 2023 Report Share Posted September 29, 2023 I’m in and looking forward to resolving the mystery 😃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fiedlerschauffer Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 Eddy Seese and I came to the conclusion that the nubs on the poles is a hard center that didn’t get hot enough to liquify because of it being 3/4” size ….! And cooled too fast to be totally rounded in the machine. And the cut line is not typical for a sheer mechanism on fully automatic marble machines. And the other end on bottom is broken off from the cane and was not melted. So it’s not a blob of glass to start. 😃and Eddy made a cane and cut marbles from it with cut lines similar to Guineas. I will send pictures of his work soon showing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiedlerschauffer Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 He may have had a set up like this? Just speculation…. He had a cane that slowly moved forward to the machine and he could heat it up to a semi pliable state and cut it. We don’t no for sure but it’s an plausible idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiedlerschauffer Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 Notice the fold on the North Pole. He tried the save it by lengthening the flap hopefully it would flatten the nub? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiedlerschauffer Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 We believe This is not automated machine made marble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiedlerschauffer Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 I would welcome anyone to prove otherwise if they can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiedlerschauffer Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 This marble was found at the Cambridge dump site by Carlin Carpenter a close friend of mine and Ralph Watkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiedlerschauffer Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 Mystery solved?🤞😃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvvaRae Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 23 minutes ago, Fiedlerschauffer said: This marble was found at the Cambridge dump site by Carlin Carpenter a close friend of mine and Ralph Watkins. Very interesting information and perspective especially with a piece found .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiedlerschauffer Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 Also Eddy Seese is very knowledgeable and a top gun in the marble world 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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