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Maybe Vitro, Marble King Akro, Peltier, Peltier Maybe
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Finally for this Akro run is an example which might be Akro ... or might be Master. It can be hard to tell between Akro and Master patches. This is a larger marble. Close to 3/4", a tournament-approved "shooter" size. My first thought was Akro. It has the "eyelashes" some consider to mean Akro (though other companies did make marbles with eyelashes). But on closer inspection, to me it seemed the seams were relatively short and the second seam could even be considered V-shaped. This could point to Master. The lines get blurred, and so sometimes people attempting to ID might sit on the fence and say, "Akro or Master," and leave it at that. Imgur also decided this view needed to be rotated:
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Here's one bonus Akro, which for a time was thought to be an Alley because it was among the patch styles dug at the Sistersville Alley site. But the consensus ID opinion is Akro.
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Now for Akro Moonies. Solid-colored marbles aren't generally considered to be special. There are exceptions. One of the exceptions is the Akro Moonie. They went through different styles. The most easily identifiable ones have what is called "fisheyes" at the poles. Bud captured a couple of nice fisheyes on his fairly early Moonies so I'm borrowing his picture. @budwas The Moonie I was trying to photograph was a later version, more opaque and the fisheye was almost closed. Bud's version is much more desirable. Here's my barely visible fisheye after many attempts.
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Still with Akro, here is a corkscrew. I would tend to call the cutline here simply a cutline. You could call it pole or seam just as well. If you have a corkscrew, then that ribbon needs to have a start and finish, so to help get the corkscrew ID confirmed, it would be good to highlight one or both of those spots. For some reason, my photo host Imgur decided to rotate this picture 90 degrees.
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Next up is Akro. Most of Akros cutlines will be called seams. For the famous Akro moonie with the fisheye, we may speak of the cutline as a pole. Left to right, the top has two Moss Agates, a Royal, and a Tri-Color Agate. The bottom has a sparkler, a Tri-Color Agate with oxblood, and two more Royals.
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#1, 2, 3 = Peltier Rainbo #4 = Modern Marble King? #5 = ? #6 = first thought Alley, second thought Akro cork, but half the views show odd non-corky bits of yellow popping up, so going with Alley for now.
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Let's see a shot from the poles on the green cats . I"m trying to decide between them being Japanese and American.
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The red one is a Vitro hybrid cat's eye. Often "hybrid" means an accidental mixing of colors. With Vitro the addition of extra colors to cat's eye vanes was surely intentional, yet we still call it "hybrid".
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Questions, comments, corrections, suggestions for the seam tutorial?
Steph replied to Steph's topic in Marble I.D.'s
thank you both ... still working Currently working on Akros ... am trying to capture the fisheye on a moonie ... may give up. -
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I'd be tempted to start higher. Maybe put it at $9 on one of those month-long fixed price listings, and maybe someone would pick it up when they bought another of your listings. Well, good luck. Make sure you don't take a hit on shipping if you put it lower.
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I locked the seam tutorial thread so that I could add pictures and notes at my own pace. But if you have questions, ideas, corrections, or anything, feel free to add them here or send me a message. I thought about adding the collector's names for some more of the Peltiers other than the Bloody Mary, but I couldn't remember them all so I moved on.
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This morning we have Marble Kings. We call their cutlines "seams". The two marbles on the right end are modern. The top left is a Rainbow Red. The bottom is called "blended". The four in the middle are Rainbows -- they are said to have a "patch and ribbon" pattern, which is a prime sign that you are looking at a Marble King. The brown and yellow one is called a Bumble Bee. The light blue with red ribbons is called a Robin. The white-based Rainbow with the three different colored ribbons is called a ...wait for it .... Tri-Color Rainbow. Note the 'w' at the end of the Rainbow name with Marble Kings, while we leave off the 'w' with Peltier Rainbos.
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Thank you for putting your 2 cents in. I really appreciate it. And I'm still just guessing.
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Another way to cut down reflections and get to the heart of transparent marbles is to take a picture of the marbles underwater. At least that's the advice we sometimes give, and it can have dramatic results with old German handmades with cloudy surfaces. Here are some Peltiers. One thing I accidentally illustrated here is that different color settings may be needed for bright yellow marbles than are needed for not-so-bright marbles. And I needed to brush the bubbles off the surface of the marbles. This will do until I get a better sample photo. Transparent Peltiers under water:
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I think I'm finally seeing at least one cutline. I'm going go bold and give a solid answer of Peltier Rainbo.
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Jose, Jabo did do some patch-style marbles. I don't see those as Jabos though. ??
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Ah, that's a thought. I think I'm seeing a more traditional structure on Cat's marble though. Also, Cat's marble being an inch makes it not such a direct connection with those. I don't know though. You could be right.
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Left Vitro All Red. Right Peltier Rainbo.
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I don't see enough detail to ID. Is it a solid color?
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To me, natural light sometimes leads to a lot of reflections which can make it hard to see marble details, so I took a second set of photos using a flash. Your mileage may vary.
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Here are some Peltier pictures showing the seams. They could be called cutlines, but generally these are called seams. Again both seams. Note, I am using a gray t-shirt for the background material. A gray background helps not-so-smart cameras get colors balanced. And a smoother background helps the camera focus on the marble instead of background textures. (Since my camera is picking up the stitches clearly, it's possible I need a smoother background to help the marbles be more focused.) Again, I took pictures of both seams. The top left marble was so busy that it almost looked like it had three seams, but that's a different subject. I finally found the second true seam, and got that photo. The top left one is a National Line Rainbo, aka NLR, from around 1930 give or take a couple of years. The top right is called a Bloody Mary. The rest are showing typical Rainbo patterns. (Rainbos are later than National Line Rainbos, and span the mid-to-late 30's through the 1960's. (Not sure if they were still in production in the 70's.)
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