Steph Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 Looking for a picture of a Persian Turquoise. Anyone have one to share? ... and any other MFC's would be nice to see if you're so disposed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted May 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 Bingo! Found the set Scott posted earlier. Three MFC's with a CAC in the middle. But if anyone one else has any to show off that would be great. (click to enlarge) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted May 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 A persian turquoise and what I'm guessing is an oriental jade in what appear to be their natural habitat. ( : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david Chamberlain Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 Oh! That is so nice.....David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted May 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 Thanks for posting, David, so it won't look quite so conspicuous when I post again. More MFC's presumably (while I'm in the neighborhood): (click to enlarge - might need to double click for full size) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Oregon Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 Good info - MFC's in Akro boxes have been mentioned before - can't remember a picture before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdesousa Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Good info - MFC's in Akro boxes have been mentioned before - can't remember a picture before. Al, Here's another Akro box with MFC Persian turquoise. It's from Page 96 of Stan Block's "Marble Mania", 1st Edition, 1998 and probably in the 2nd Edition as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdesousa Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Good info - MFC's in Akro boxes have been mentioned before - can't remember a picture before. Al, Here's a very early Akro Box, probably with MFC marbles, including Persian turquoise. George Sourlis thinks the box is circa 1914, one of the first from Clarksburg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdesousa Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Looking for a picture of a Persian Turquoise. Anyone have one to share? ... and any other MFC's would be nice to see if you're so disposed! Steph, Here's a box of No.1 MFC Persian Turquoise. I'm sure it has not been back filled. Peculiar thing, only a couple marbles have easily discernible "nines". Almost all have a cut line though, easier felt than seen. emailingmfcpersianturquoisebox001_jpgmfcpersiantur.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Marie Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 what size do these usually come in? 5/8, 3/4? or both... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted May 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Steph, Here's a box of No.1 MFC Persian Turquoise. I'm sure it has not been back filled. Peculiar thing, only a couple marbles have easily discernible "nines". Almost all have a cut line though, easier felt than seen. Unzipped ... don't know what to say ...... interesting to hear about the lack of 9's. That's going to raise the hope in the hearts of people with turquoise marbles. Funny, I don't think I've ever heard anyone hoping that they had an Oriental Jade. For some reason it's the Persian Turquoise people seem to want theirs to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clydetul62 Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Persion turquoise do have 9's. Remember they are HG so they have to have 9. They are very faint. Hansel? After the last Akro dig produced all those HG marbles it was called into question on who made them. Akro or MFC? You sent me an email of a pic of your Persion box and called into question if they might actually be Akro. Are you sure Akro didnt make those in the Akro boxes? Akro copied MFC manufacture. In the opaques they both used same glass. Same process. They are going to look the same. So those in the Akro boxes could vey well be Akro. Do you have any way to tell the difference? Truely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdesousa Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Persion turquoise do have 9's. Remember they are HG so they have to have 9. They are very faint. Hansel? After the last Akro dig produced all those HG marbles it was called into question on who made them. Akro or MFC? You sent me an email of a pic of your Persion box and called into question if they might actually be Akro. Are you sure Akro didnt make those in the Akro boxes? Akro copied MFC manufacture. In the opaques they both used same glass. Same process. They are going to look the same. So those in the Akro boxes could vey well be Akro. Do you have any way to tell the difference? Truely? Clyde, They may all have nines. I just can't see them easily. Do all HG marbles have to have nines? I don't think Chris Robinson's "road and tunnel" slags did, but I'm not sure. Brian Graham, who's makes HG marbles and studied MFC marble fragments, would be the one to ask. As far as the origin of the marbles in the early Akro boxes, when I sent you a pic of the Akro Universal Assortment (not MFC's Persian Turquoise) some 6 years ago, it was just after the Akro HG finds, and I was asking if you had any idea as to the date of that box. Since then, George Sourlis dated that box, as well as the tapered Akro boxes, to circa 1914. (Everyone collector should own a copy of his excellent poster on Akro Agate Boxes, 1911-1930) So you are correct. Those may be Akro marbles in the Akro boxes. To properly answer your question, we should find out why George believes these boxes are from 1914, and if 1914 precedes the date Akro started making marbles. Thanks for reminding me of my earlier doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david Chamberlain Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Although it doesn't necessarily provide definitive answers I thought I'd reference here George Sourlis's two articles at joemarbles.com titled "Akro's Earliest Box" and "Akro's First Four Small Display Boxes." David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjohn691500 Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Although it doesn't necessarily provide definitive answers I thought I'd reference here George Sourlis's two articles at joemarbles.com titled "Akro's Earliest Box" and "Akro's First Four Small Display Boxes." David yea love that article, especially where he gives the accolades to Hansel, for providing the pics,,, matter a fact i belive most books out there give him credit for the pics, Hansel is awesome, knows alot more than it would seam here. but,, the only PT i have has a big ole chip off it but you can see the faint white 9 in the design, also in the jade mib i have,, the 9's look totally different,,, the PT is a tight 9 and the jade is more of a broad 9.,, bj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Oregon Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 Thanks for posting those box picture Hansel. Great source of info. I know George has done a lot of research and Joe's site helps get information out to us also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjohn691500 Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 heres the best i can do trying to see the 9,,,bj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1DanS Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 one with a faint "9" but a rather distinct cut/shear mark. thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted May 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 what size do these usually come in? 5/8, 3/4? or both... I'm guessing that 5/8" was the more common size. But that's only a guess based on what I think I know about production from other companies. Anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTAndrea Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 I find them amazingly bland and wonder how many of us have had them in with our game marbles. I also long wondered why they were misspelled in several marble books as "Persion". Who was the original book writer who goofed up? Sorry folks, ex-teachers never quit using the red pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjohn691500 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 I find them amazingly bland and wonder how many of us have had them in with our game marbles. I also long wondered why they were misspelled in several marble books as "Persion". Who was the original book writer who goofed up? Sorry folks, ex-teachers never quit using the red pen. if you look at Hansels box its spelled persian, i see what your saying, bad bad spellers,, they need Monk to proof read, lol lol,,, steph mine is 11/16 in,,,,,bj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronmarbles Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david Chamberlain Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Actually the 'persian blue' is a very desirable color often aimed for but missed and generally commanding a higher value when attained. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdesousa Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Nice! Do all HG marbles have '9's? Why no Persian Turquoise (PT) fragments? I understand you've made PT glass from scratch, using MFC's original formula, of sand, soda ash and metallic oxides for color. Almost by accident wasn't it, when you were trying to make oxblood. Speak to us, Oh Marble Guru, and throw us some cuppy cakes of your knowledge. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuppy%20cake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 All of the marbles made at MFC were handgathered. Most do but many do not show a 9. Many more hand gathered marbles made at The Christensen Agate Company show no 9 at all and it seems they did not like the 9 at all on several handgathered types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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