winnie Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Got this yesterday in the mail,I was totally madly in love with them. If it's possible,I want to know more about them,such as:do they excist in other colors--wat's the time periode. I'm surprised there is so little known about these beauties,not on the internet or the forums, at least I've not seen it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Hi Winnie, Those are nice Rainbos - I like the clear-based ones too. I think I have heard them referred to as Fruit Cocktails but I could be wrong. If I am, I am sure someone will let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbobam Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 As always, my education is limited, but when I think 'Pelt' the picture in my brain never has a transparent base. Other than the Bananas. These really are nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moremarbles4me Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 All of the marbles in the picture are called Clear Rainbos except possibley the one in the middle. A fruit cocktail is a totally different marble, construction wise. If you go to Mibbage you will find pictures of both marble types. Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 They're crazy gorgeous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie Posted February 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 20 hours ago, moremarbles4me said: All of the marbles in the picture are called Clear Rainbos except possibley the one in the middle. A fruit cocktail is a totally different marble, construction wise. If you go to Mibbage you will find pictures of both marble types. Charles Here's a pic- of the middle one,it has also a clear glass base,but is it not called a clear Rainbo? Are these Rainbo's made about the end of the production periode? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 I would estimate nearer the beginning -- I would guess the 30's. Rainbos got more plain toward the end of production decades later. As far as I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinemades Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Hi Winnie, Very nice Peltier! These are called clear Rainbos which are a generation later than Fruit Cocktails. Fruit Cocktails were clear based National Line Rainbos circa sometime late 1920'ties to late 30'ties. Clear Rainbos were most likely made after that period. Sami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mibcapper Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 whatever the label ..... craftsmanship and top notch efforts at work ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Those are nice, Bill. The first two are killer. Do you still have that little jobber box full? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mibcapper Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 9 hours ago, Ric said: Those are nice, Bill. The first two are killer. Do you still have that little jobber box full? somewhere ric ............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie Posted February 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Thanks folks for the info,and thank you Bill for the beautiful pictures,it's good to know there are other colors out there. I can't resist to post some close ups of these beauties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaboo Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 questions... the beginning peltiers were made as swirls, god forbid we use the name miller machines, but I will for the sake of the type. so these can't be from that time period. second, the cereal box marbles weren't in cereal boxes in the 1920s and 30's. they were I believe in the late 40's to 50's. all these marbles shown have the same construction double patched. later in peltier marble productions. does anyone have information on what marbles the Nivison-weiskopf company made since peltier bought their machines? When did the name fruit cocktail for those type Winnie shows change? they have been called that for the last 20+ years. still are in my book. thanks Ernie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvrons Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Good to know once and for all that the first Peltier marbles made were what most collectors call swirls. I guess god has forbid me to ask what was specialized with the Miller machine that caused it to make swirls and the other Peltier machines did not. Waiting for the next book to tell me. Maybe then I will change my thoughts ? I bought Alley Blue Lady marbles and Alley West Virginian's 20 years ago as Christensen just like everyone else. But they are not Christensen today. Not in my book. Always a pleasure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 On 2/14/2016 at 8:05 PM, machinemades said: These are called clear Rainbos which are a generation later than Fruit Cocktails. Fruit Cocktails were clear based National Line Rainbos circa sometime late 1920'ties to late 30'ties. Clear Rainbos were most likely made after that period. Sami, could you post pictures of the two different types? I've never seen the difference clearly illustrated. I've mostly heard "fruit cocktail" used for pretty much all clear Rainbos. I'd like to get it straight if that's wrong . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinemades Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 Ann, all the marbles Winnie posted are Clear Rainbos. Fruit Cocktails are shown in few of Bill's picture, four in the group picture and one as a single shot. My avatar is also a Fruit Cocktail. Let me know if you need more info. Sami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 Is the difference 4 ribbons (clear) vs. 6 ribbons (fruit)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinemades Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 Absolutely. Also depth and thickness of the ribbons are different. Fruit cocktails that are shown here are 4 colors versus clear Rainbos are 3 colors, but there are 3 color fruit cocktails also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 Thanks, Sami -- once you pointed out those four (plus one) of Bill's as being Fruit Cocktails I could immediately see it -- mainly the thickness and "evenness" of the ribbons. There are a couple of Winnie's that at first glance I might mistake for Fruit Cocktails (like the lower left in the group shot at the beginning of the thread) but a second look noting # of ribbons (Rainbo structure) would have changed my mind. It also looks like the Fruit Cocktail ribbons, in addition to being thicker, are pretty much opaque, while clear Rainbo ribbons can be translucent or even transparent, and can vary in color from one edge of the ribbon (or veil) to another. Is that also generally true? Got to go reclassify now . . . Oh -- and nice clear Rainbos, Winnie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie Posted February 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 14 hours ago, machinemades said: Absolutely. Also depth and thickness of the ribbons are different. Fruit cocktails that are shown here are 4 colors versus clear Rainbos are 3 colors, but there are 3 color fruit cocktails also. Sami,I agree the depth and thickness of the ribbons are different from the fruit cocktail,but the clear Rainbos shown here have at least 4 different colors,red-white -yellow and green and there is some brownish transparancy on the surface. The others have 3 colors,blue-white and red. Is it mainly the construction that varied between both Pelt types? Ann,The colors are opaque on the clear Rainbos,except for the brownish color is in some areas transparant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinemades Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 Yes Ann. Ribbons on Clear Rainbos are not as strong or opaque as earlier Fruit Cocktails and thin out to different shades. They are also more on the surface while Fruit Cocktail ribbons go deep into the marble. I have to take back 6 ribbon statement Ric brought up though. Fruit Cocktails have only 4 ribbons just like a bumble bee or tiger would have, but all ribbons have different colors. 3 color Cocktails have one same color in two ribbons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie Posted February 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 Sami,we typed the same time but your last post gives me some answers,only thing is the clear Raibos also have 4 ribbons and all ribbons have different colors and there is a fifth color but its a bit transparant and on the surface.,so I think the depth and thickness and the construction is the difference in both types? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinemades Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 Winnie, one more item I can add is size. Clear Rainbos I have seen typically are always 5/8", while Fruit Cocktails range from 5/8" all the way up to 3/4". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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