Peltier Early Aventurine Marbles - packaging

[westcoast_dave]

Not sure if this has been shared before, but I came across an ad for Peltier No. 5 boxes in a 1928 Bulter Bros. Catalog with interesting wording that seems to describe aventurine.  

"Sparkling rainbow colors produced by fusing metal and glass". 

I've always been curious as to how the older more rare aventurine type marbles were sold, such as the "Silver Surfer & Blue Galaxy" types.  If they were packaged in boxes such as these, maybe that is why they are much harder to find and almost always have condition issues.  The big National Line Rainbo boxes were nice gift sets that someone was more likely to keep together as a full set.  But with No. 5 boxes, I imagine the marbles would be immediately used, played with and lost.  Most of these older rare aventurine marbles may be lying in the dirt on old school grounds instead of sitting in attics in nice box sets.   Just food for thought.  I'd like to hear any input of new info anyone may have about the subject.  

 

[Steph]

very interesting

[migbar]

Yes, most interesting, I haven't seen this ad before.  Could that be the early zebra/ tiger/bee/ wasp types with the heavy black aventurine, maybe ?

 

[Al Oregon]

Yes, good observation - seems to make sense

[Royal3]

That seems logical, doesn’t it? I wonder if anyone had had success digging at old schoolyards in and around Illinois? 

[westcoast_dave]

Not sure, but Illinois would be a great place to look.   Old church yards may have some as well.   When I was a boy I used to play marbles in the dirt area around the outside of our church and found a lot of old looking marbles that I now know were slags.  

Mike, yup those are the ones.  I'm sure Peltier was doing a lot of experimenting with the machinery at this time.  I wonder if 1928 could of been the year he made his first aventurine marbles. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[migbar]

You would have to think that they must have been aware of the tremendous aventurine in these marbles, but I had never before seen a reference such as this.  Thank you for finding this, Dave !

[BuckEye]

Really important stuff, thanks for sharing Dave

[Mr Meteorite]

Awesome info, awesome find, thanx for sharing. 

I live 20 minutes from Ottawa Illinois, there is a school that is really old a couple block from the old pelt company a couple churches close by too. Might b worth a shot, I've dug a little at the old factory successfully, I think I found my next mission 

[westcoast_dave]

Post your findings here if you have any luck, a silver wasp might be waiting for you.  

[godown]

Great piece of advertising Dave

 

Any vacant land were the old home has been demolished is worth a walk over i have found,  also home`s in the process of being demolished are worth a look ive found many a marble under floor boards or porches and in the yard looks like there is a big vacant block with no grass cover down near the tennis courts on W Jackson st according to google earth i would come with ya but its 17,577 km from my place 😄

[Mr Meteorite]

If I dig a silver wasp, sum1 will have to pick me up off the ground lol

[Mr Meteorite]

I made a few pretty cool finds last few times

[machinemades]

This is a very important new information Dave. Thanks!

[lstmmrbls]

Metal was used to color glass for marbles.  These are Onyx marbles(Slags) in my opinion so it seems like more of a marketing ploy.  Add even says  a near perfect duplication of natural marbles.  No new information IMO

[westcoast_dave]

Good point there.   Could very well be a nothing-burger, lol.  But just for argument sake, that is a good bit of glass knowledge for an ad writer?  Maybe, maybe not.   Also, the ad date is late 1928 (Christmas time).  Fairly close to the release of the NLR line which is thought of having marbles that contained aventurine.   I still think there's a slight possibility that those unusual aventurine marbles were in 5 & 10 boxes, if not in the 1928 versions then maybe even in the later early 1930's boxes.  Just blind speculation on my part of course.

[Peltier Mibber]

This is an interesting thread.

In the ad; the drawing looks like the marble is clear with 2 colors swirling etc.

The darker of the two could be AV. My clear and opaque marbles with AV have rainbow colors in them, in the AV, as do most, if not a single color AV.

I see that there were or are two versions of the 5&10 boxes noted above-

 -1928 and then later versions?I

Hypothetically- which version would have slag marbles with AV and which would have slag with no AV? 

Hypothetically there could be handgathered  marbles in the Peltier slag colors with AV?

Unless AV use came later?

Green, Purple, Blue,.... If so the hunt is on!