schmoozer Posted January 4, 2022 Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 There is something about this that sets off my alarm… https://www.ebay.com/itm/265480043268?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D777008%26algo%3DPERSONAL.TOPIC%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20201018205123%26meid%3Dc0da87c61bd64851a88910225ce939ee%26pid%3D101286%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26mehot%3Dnone%26itm%3D265480043268%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057%26algv%3DWatchlistVariantWithMLR%26brand%3DPeltier+Glass&_trksid=p2380057.c101286.m47999&_trkparms=pageci%3A50492ee1-6d2a-11ec-80bb-12f61dd8cd3c|parentrq%3A23d8984d17e0acf229d995e3ffed884a|iid%3A1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad G. Posted January 4, 2022 Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 20 minutes ago, schmoozer said: There is something about this that sets off my alarm… https://www.ebay.com/itm/265480043268?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D777008%26algo%3DPERSONAL.TOPIC%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20201018205123%26meid%3Dc0da87c61bd64851a88910225ce939ee%26pid%3D101286%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26mehot%3Dnone%26itm%3D265480043268%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057%26algv%3DWatchlistVariantWithMLR%26brand%3DPeltier+Glass&_trksid=p2380057.c101286.m47999&_trkparms=pageci%3A50492ee1-6d2a-11ec-80bb-12f61dd8cd3c|parentrq%3A23d8984d17e0acf229d995e3ffed884a|iid%3A1 Looks like a " Champion " mib to me, maybe an old Fashioned ?? Definitely 100% " not Pelt " 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmoozer Posted January 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 25 minutes ago, Chad G. said: Looks like a " Champion " mib to me, maybe an old Fashioned ?? Definitely 100% " not Pelt " Thanks for verifying my opinion buddy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad G. Posted January 4, 2022 Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 39 minutes ago, schmoozer said: Thanks for verifying my opinion buddy! No problem Brad, I'm always up late as I'm sure you've noticed !! See ya " Same Bat time, same Bat place " .... well, maybe not exactly the same place .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmoozer Posted January 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 Same here, night owl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Berryb Posted January 4, 2022 Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 Yikes, Odd how he says he's grading by Block's standards and then seems to ignore them. The photos have the seller's fingerprints in focus but not the mib, but there are enough "flea bites" visible to show that it is nowhere near "near mint". He says it measures .75 when his own calipers show a hair over .53. The first sentence in the description acts as the disclaimer to cover a multitude of sins. Because of the color my first thought was Vacor anyway, but I am usually wrong on IDs. Thanks Bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted January 4, 2022 Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 Pointing out misidentified or wrongly graded marbles on Ebay would be a full time job - probably for several people. And I don't think I have ever seen a more valuable marble identified as a less valuable one - like a CAC identified as a Champion. I do think most misidentification is not nefarious though, people who intentionally misidentify marbles are few, at least I hope that's the case. Anyway, the mib in question is 100% Champion NoF. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo Posted January 4, 2022 Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Berryb said: Yikes, Odd how he says he's grading by Block's standards and then seems to ignore them. The photos have the seller's fingerprints in focus but not the mib, but there are enough "flea bites" visible to show that it is nowhere near "near mint". He says it measures .75 when his own calipers show a hair over .53. The first sentence in the description acts as the disclaimer to cover a multitude of sins. Because of the color my first thought was Vacor anyway, but I am usually wrong on IDs. Thanks Bruce If i look at the pictures My first guess was Vacor also because of the grey ish base and how the swirls en at one side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvrons Posted January 4, 2022 Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 100% Champion New Ole Fashion marble made in the mid to late 1980's. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berryb Posted January 4, 2022 Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 I agree with Ric that policing E-bay could be a full time job. But it could also be educational, for example why do you guys see champion as opposed to anything else. Thanks Bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted January 4, 2022 Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Berryb said: . . . why do you guys see champion as opposed to anything else. It's mostly just experience - I've seen a lot of them. Colors, pattern, base glass and size are all clues. They made another that is often mistaken for a K&M. Here's a good pic of both from the WVMCC site. http://westvirginiamarblecollectorsclub.com/Recimages/1351941470.jpg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmoozer Posted January 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 12 minutes ago, Ric said: It's mostly just experience - I've seen a lot of them. Colors, pattern, base glass and size are all clues. They made another that is often mistaken for a K&M. Here's a good pic of both from the WVMCC site. http://westvirginiamarblecollectorsclub.com/Recimages/1351941470.jpg Thanks Ric. I have seen and correctly ID’d the other color combos before, just not the K&M or black/red examples. Scary stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted January 4, 2022 Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, schmoozer said: Thanks Ric. I have seen and correctly ID’d the other color combos before, just not the K&M or black/red examples. Scary stuff. But your alarms are working fine and that's the all-important first step! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire1981 Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 My New Old Fashion. Probably the same run. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 15 minutes ago, Fire1981 said: My New Old Fashion. Probably the same run. That's a nice one. I've seen some patterns that can look sorta close to Pelts, and can understand why some people might confuse them. The differences are much more obvious if you've been collecting for a while though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'llhavethat1 Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 11 hours ago, Berryb said: ... He says it measures .75 when his own calipers show a hair over .53.... Vernier/Caliper styles can sometimes be hard to decipher but pretty sure that's reading .753 of an inch. I agree Champion New Old Fashioned, I had one kicking around here years ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvrons Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 100% Champion New Ole Fashion. Anyone know the difference with New Ole Fashion Marbles and Old Fashioned Marbles ? They are names used by two different companies, not collector names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 10 hours ago, wvrons said: 100% Champion New Ole Fashion. Anyone know the difference with New Ole Fashion Marbles and Old Fashioned Marbles ? They are names used by two different companies, not collector names. New Ole Fashion are the Champions from the late 1980s. Old Fashioned Marbles are old mesh bags with Ravenswood marbles and usually one Paul Bunyan, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akroorka Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 Just "Old Fashion", not Old Fashioned" but close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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