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Heh, Steph you said the same thing going through my mind as well. The Kokomo ID always comes up when you see that pinkish red. I've seen it on others I consider to be Pelts though, and one side of this marble is very pelty to me. The other with the pinkish-red could go either way IMO. Given the one side that is all Pelt to me and the very few marbles made by Koko in comparison to Peltier, I'm good with calling it Pelt.
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Odd. Does the black backlight dark green to amber? If so, could be a weird Pelt bruiser.
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I really like that one. Nice ruffle or curtain effect in that white. I think nice Alley too.
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I was thinking Ravenswood and Champion for what it's worth. .672 would be too large for Heaton IMO.
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Vacor was my first thought as well.
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I agree, probably JABO.
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JABOs I recognize pattern first usually on the classics, this one I'm not positive of but it looks like a single fold and glass that fits, so without having it in hand that's my guess. The pincher has the clear glass with the white and color on the outside and the opening at the seams a little, I think that one is a pretty safe ID.
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1 may be a JABO classic 2 is Peliter rainbo 3 is Wales pincher
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And a snakeskin metallic helmet
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Love the tiger colored blackie in the top middle. Especially nice. Some Neon Conquerors. 5/8", 3/4", and 15/16"
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Lol... nice CACs, sorry about the incidental damages
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Thanks Ric, nice bunch of superiors! Here are some patel hybrid cats.
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One of the exotics that needed special attention
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Hey Rooster, I recognize that last one. I'm the guy who IDed it for you Here are a few exotics
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The Heaton Red Baron. This one is one of the first named types but like the Razzle Dazzle, it is very rare. At the time I took the photo of the group of 3, these were the only 3 known to us. I found one during my first Heaton Dig a couple years back and it was the only one known until I found 2 more in September 2020. Maybe more will turn up in time. They are very white base, whiter than the usual Heaton and more on par with CAC or Ravenswood whites. The red is ruby red transparent. The black looks black except in places if you can find where it thins enough, you can tell it's very very dark brown color.
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The Heaton Razzle Dazzle. Ron named this one, these were only found in a small spot, only a few known. I haven't found one in my buckets yet unfortunately. Loads of AV and a UV reactive base. Top shelf marble from Heaton. These are Ron's marbles, I took the photos at his house back in September. And here is some of the AV Vitrolite used to make these marbles:
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I think the first one is an old Alley. In this color combo, they aren't very busy pattern-wise. The other two are JABO IMO.
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“One of these things is not like the others”
cheese replied to Sonoran Beaver's topic in Marble I.D.'s
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One of the easiest ways to me is to put it under a long fluorescent light like a shop light and roll it around. The reflection of the light will bend and wiggle as it rolls and the surface irregularities change the reflection. Even the nicest wet mint machine mades don't have perfect surfaces that will reflect without distortion. A polished marble will not change reflection as it rolls around.
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You can see tons of my Heaton photos in the forum "Steph's study hall" under the Heaton Agate thread.
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At first the sweet potato name got applied to a marble with this base and white ribbon, but then some had other colors with the white and then some had no white but had other colors. Since Ron and I and Stephen talked, it sounds like the agreed position of these is that they are all Sweet Potatoes, similar to how the different color tan based Ravenswoods are all Ravens, and then they are further categorized by color (Green Sweet Potato, blue, and so-on). That works for me. Like Stephen pointed out on the phone today, they are a lot like the Ravenswood Ravens line, some being almost mistakable for one. The difference being the base has more of an orange tint than the tan on Ravenswoods. These vary a lot in base and colors. Varying from pinkish to salmon to rich pumpkin and sweet potato colors. I'll post what I think fall into this category:
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Not many Heatons were named before the digs, or at least not with names that the community accepted and recognized. Similarly to the Pennsboro Alley digs, several got named along in that time too. Tater bugs, blue skies, the blush line, sweet baby greys, and others from the Pennsboro dig years. We pulled out some Heaton marbles that we felt needed names because they stood out and named them. There are several other great marbles that haven't been named but here's what we looked for... variety (a good array of examples of color and pattern), good color, better glass, general eye appeal, and being common enough that examples will be available. There's not much sense in naming a bunch of one-of-a-kind marbles because nobody else will have one and the name won't be used. We named some that are very common and some that are very rare and most are somewhere in the middle. Then we tried to come up with names that fit the marble. Most or all of the names imply what the marble looks like or they make sense when you see the marble. The Honey Biscuit looks like honey and biscuit colors, the firecracker looks like firecrackers, and so on. We tried several names for several marbles and when we agreed unanimously on a name, we knew it was a good name. Some just got named incidentally, like the rotten robin. I never really thought I was naming it. Lots of times when someone dug a robin egg, they would shout "robin egg!" and so when these brown robin eggs started popping up, I was saying "I found a Robin egg with brown on it", and then I said it was like a rotten robin egg, which evolved into Rotten Robin and it stuck. I think we are pretty much finished naming them, we don't want to name everything out there and make it tedious. It was appropriate for Heaton to get the attention they deserve and be represented in the collecting world with it's share of named types. I haven't posted a picture of the Robin's Egg in that thread and I should (we did not name that one). Also the Sweet Potato and the Blue oatmeal. I need to get on that. In fact I will post the Sweet Potato over there now. I posted one Heaton with ribbons of white and oxblood in a transparent green base and put a picture of the head of Medusa in the photo because it reminded me of her head of snakes. I have been seeing that type marble referred to as a Heaton Medusa now because of that, so maybe that's a named type too, not sure. It does fit IMO. In the end, what sticks is what matters. I've seen Heatons being sold and discussed by the names we gave them so I think they are generally accepted. -Chuck
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Those are the two companies I was pondering on as well. I'm with Alley, these are the types often found in the big dime and big nickel boxes.