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Dani, Why the hostility? What I'm pointing out, in essence, is that since they are now readily available, some more acknowledgement of the original names of these marbles should have been made. If for no other reason, out of respect for Sellers Peltier's genius. Hansel

Sami, Not trying to be arrogant, although as I had suspected, any informed comment these days which could be taken as constructive criticism, could also mistakenly be taken as arrogance. Just for the record, your request of me to contribute something in writing was made 2/26/14, over 3 years ago. At the time, I really knew no more about Peltier than the little bits that had already been written in several marble books. My full response was: "Hi Sami, Thanks for the kind offer for me to write something for the book, but unfortunately I know nothing about Peltier that has not already been hashed and rehashed in existing books. I'm looking forward to reading and learning from your book! Did you contact ____ ____? Sounds as if she may have some good information. Here's some correspondence I had with her some 7 years ago when I bought those advertising printing blocks on eBay. Hansel " I was (and still am) rooting for you, or anyone else who can publish an authoritative book on Peltier marbles. Migbar's post containing that informative jobber's pricelist was on 6/27/15, some 16 months after my correspondence with you. Since then I have learned that there had been, and still is, an enormous amount to learn about Peltier marbles; much of the information from postings on this board. For example, many Peltier related patents here: http://marbleconnection.com/topic/10736-patents/ So cheer up. Your book would have elicited some strong emotion from Sellers Peltier. I was just speculating about his reaction over the myriad of names made up by collectors.

It's a well printed, solid book with sewn in pages - commensurate with it's list price. Some more acknowledgement should have been made to the more straightforward names which Peltier gave to his marbles. For example, with the help of the flyer below (from http://marbleconnection.com/topic/20910-national-line-rainbos-vs-sunsets-1931/ National Rainbo is a two color marble. National Sunset is a three color marble. (no such thing as a three color Rainbo) National Glassonix is a multicolored marble with transparent glass (Gino figured out 'fruit cocktail' marbles were Glassonix) Peerless marbles have a two color, opaque patch Acme Realers have a two color translucent patch Instead, in this book, within just a couple of pages, we have "yellow goblin", "green lantern", "pistaccio"(sic), "chocolate cow", "blue wasp", "salamander", "blue bee", "brown panther", "copperhead", "yellow lantern", etc.., and much importance is made of aventurine, which was likely produced accidentally. I wonder if Sellers Peltier is laughing or rolling over in his grave, or, most likely, both. Well, Steph now has a lot of updating to do in her 'Name Game'. http://marbleconnection.com/topic/6843-name-game/

Plagiarism from Marblealan?: http://www.ebay.com/itm/381927921870 WQW! RARE AKRO SCREENPRINTED ING-RICH BEAVER FALLS PA. MARBLE This measures a little under 11/16" and it is mint! Recently, I spoke with a friend who told me his uncle was in the screenprinting business in the mid-to-late 1930s. One of the items he screenprinted for companies (filling stations, Cracker Jack, and small local businesses in the area of western Pennsylvania) and individuals (i.e. political campaigners) included marbles. This elderly gentleman, Howard E. Koehler, was born in 1910, and obtained his marbles from Akro Agate. Over the years he has given these marbles to his relatives, including his nephew, my friend, who showed me a jar full. Among the marbles were Popeyes, Corkscrews, and Opaques. Many were printed with the names of individuals, while others had the names of petroleum companies (Esso, Mobilgas, and Sunoco) and such words as "freedom" and "1937." Mr. Koehler himself kept around 100 of these marbles, and allowed me to go through them. Perhaps some of the more interesting examples contained "Landon" or "Landon/Knox"; Alfred Landon and Frank Knox were the repulican candidates for president and vice president, respectively, during the 1936 election, and lost against Franklin D. Roosevelt. from: http://marblealan.com/ Akro Agate CompanyThis measures a little under 11/16" and it is mint! Recently, I spoke with a friend who told me his uncle was in the screenprinting business in the mid-to-late 1930s. One of the items he screenprinted for companies (filling stations, Cracker Jack, and small local businesses in the area of western Pennsylvania) and individuals (i.e. political campaigners) included marbles. This elderly gentleman, Howard E. Koehler, was born in 1910, and obtained his marbles from Akro Agate. Over the years he has given these marbles to his relatives, including his nephew, my friend, who showed me a jar full. Among the marbles were Popeyes, Corkscrews, and Opaques. Many were printed with the names of individuals, while others had the names of petroleum companies (Esso, Mobilgas, and Sunoco) and such words as "freedom" and "1937." Mr. Koehler himself kept around 100 of these marbles, and allowed me to go through them. Perhaps some of the more interesting examples contained "Landon" or "Landon/Knox"; Alfred Landon and Frank Knox were the repulican candidates for president and vice president, respectively, during the 1936 election, and lost against Franklin D. Roosevelt. This measures a little under 11/16" and it is mint! Recently, I spoke with a friend who told me his uncle was in the screenprinting business in the mid-to-late 1930s. One of the items he screenprinted for companies (filling stations, Cracker Jack, and small local businesses in the area of western Pennsylvania) and individuals (i.e. political campaigners) included marbles. This elderly gentleman, Howard E. Koehler, was born in 1910, and obtained his marbles from Akro Agate. Over the years he has given these marbles to his relatives, including his nephew, my friend, who showed me a jar full. Among the marbles were Popeyes, Corkscrews, and Opaques. Many were printed with the names of individuals, while others had the names of petroleum companies (Esso, Mobilgas, and Sunoco) and such words as "freedom" and "1937." Mr. Koehler himself kept around 100 of these marbles, and allowed me to go through them. Perhaps some of the more interesting examples contained "Landon" or "Landon/Knox"; Alfred Landon and Frank Knox were the repulican candidates for president and vice president, respectively, during the 1936 election, and lost against Franklin D. RoosSCREENPRINTED MARBLES Recently, I spoke with a friend who told me his uncle was in the screenprinting business in the mid-to-late 1930s. One of the items he screenprinted for companies (filling stations, Cracker Jack, and small local businesses in the area of western Pennsylvania) and individuals (i.e. political campaigners) included marbles. This elderly gentleman, Howard E. Koehler, was born in 1910, and obtained his marbles from Akro Agate. Over the years he has given these marbles to his relatives, including his nephew, my friend, who showed me a jar full. Among the marbles were Popeyes, Corkscrews, and Opaques. Many were printed with the names of individuals, while others had the names of petroleum companies (Esso, Mobilgas, and Sunoco) and such words as "freedom" and "1937." Mr. Koehler himself kept around 100 of these marbles, and allowed me to go through them. Perhaps some of the more interesting examples contained "Landon" or "Landon/Knox"; Alfred Landon and Frank Knox were the repulican candidates for president and vice president, respectively, during the 1936 election, and lost against Franklin D. Roosevelt.

Two variegated stoneware "jasper" marbles I'd not seen before. (see pages 71 - 72 of Carskadden's "Colonial Period and Early 19th Century Children's Toy Marbles" for terminology) Anyone seen the likes of these before? http://www.ebay.com/itm/381873086847 http://www.ebay.com/itm/WQW-2-CIVIL-WAR-ERA-CLAY-MARBLES-/381880764313

Are the inserts new? What else may be 'wrong'? http://www.ebay.com/itm/152334859863

Everyone is entitled to publicize their thoughts and opinions and in our democracy, most opinions seemingly carry equal importance. Amongst marble collectors, names of marbles often have no bearing on the original factory name, which is OK when most collectors agree on a given name for a certain type of marble and that name does not conflict with the same name originally designated to another type of marble. For example, Akro's aces are called corkscrews, onyx are slags, etc. Peltier chose the name "Sunset" for their National Line tri-colored marbles. That is evident from the description of marbles in their price lists, names printed on boxes of marbles (as Galen said and Kevin Plummer showed), in jobber catalogs and probably elsewhere (the "Peltier Documents"?). These are the Peltier marbles we now call rebel, christmas tree, liberty, etc. (as Mike said). The problem with collectors designating the name "sunset" to another type of marble is that it's potentially confusing, especially, for example, to a marble or glass historian researching original documents and artifacts, who may be unfamiliar with collector's names. Anyone know who started calling these transparent marbles "sunset", and why?

Here's a group of old marbles, composed mostly of various types of limestone, but you can see some "blood-allies", favorites of marble shooters 150+ years ago. http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-JOB-LOT-OF-STONE-CLAY-MARBLES-CHILDRENS-CLASSIC-TOYS-GAMES-/282119527586

Anyone seen this figure before? Any idea what the wolf is doing? http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-VERY-RARE-GERMAN-GLASS-WOLF-DOG-SULPHIDE-SULFIDE-MARBLE-LARGE-2-ROUND-/291768432865

This will give you some idea of how they're made: https://morphyauctions.hibid.com/lot/19552669/lot-of-2--cornhusk-swirl-and-cornhusk-marble-cane-/?q=marble+cane&ref=lot-list

That's a neat site, with many videos of basic glass techniques relevant to marble making, which (I'm guessing) was probably relegated to apprentices. e.g.

Wow! Wonder why our heroes (Early, Fielder, Leighton) never played with it? Maybe in your spare time you can put together a comprehensive reenactment of glass marbles like the CMOG did with Venetian glass: http://renvenetian.cmog.org/

Count me in. Great topic. I've had dyed agates bisected - antique German (red-brown ones) as well as modern. The dye only penetrates a millimeter or two into the snot colored stone. Also destroyed an (already damaged) "gutta percha" marble - color is on the surface of a black, dense thermosoftening resin. And of course, cracked ceramic marbles will reveal the difference between porcelain type and yelloware benningtons or mochaware (decoration on the surface) vs. agateware (colored clays throughout the body of the marble). Will try to come up with some pics.

Think Ramune bottles have a plastic collar applied to a smooth top and that keeps the marble in, whereas Codd bottle tops are heated and reshaped (constricted) to achieve the same purpose.

Personally, I would prefer if listmembers waited until an auction ends before posting the listing. The less attention drawn to an interesting item the better (for me. :-)

The seller has several others listed. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Marble-German-Handmade-1-Shooter-Single-Pontil-/321952197062

I've been told Akron Rollers are most probably German.

Here's the same figure again. Bet it's plastic. http://www.ebay.com/itm/OLD-SULPHIDE-GERMAN-MARBLE-WITH-ANGEL-ENCLOSED-/262186280231

Also made in Cambridge, Ohio

Here's another box of Albright "professional" marbles.

Galen, Why, in a marble forum, would you want to discuss my lack of joy this "Holiday season"? Craig's find of an authentic birdcage marble is (good) news to me. I've seen several birdcage and firebush as well as milifiori marbles that had been cut and/or re-melted from Chinese paperweights and bottle stoppers. Hansel

Wait a minute. Cut or melt a glass paperweight into a sphere and the uncut paperweights become marble related? That's like saying trash cans are beer related because I've seen beer brewed in one.

FWIW, this was on eBay last week, same trademark number: http://www.ebay.com/itm/100-Count-Cat-Eyes-Santa-Claus-Marble-Box-/161888616226

Yes, well said Ron, but why do you feel the hobby is a "struggle" Sami? The key to make any hobby stimulating and entertaining is education, as Ron said. Most sellers like their items labeled because it increases their customer base - everyone from newbies to seasoned collectors can know what they're buying. An unsigned marble does not usually sell well. When I used to collect stamps, if some aspect of an expensive stamp was unusual, such as the color, size of perforation, type of paper or printing technique, etc. a red flag was immediately raised. That's not to say the stamp could not be a valuable "error" but much scrutiny was warranted before a knowledgeable collector parted with their money. With marbles, it's different. Something unusual is automatically deemed "rare" and hence more valuable. To use the above marble as an example, a line of lutz in a marble that is not supposed to have lutz, or a color that was developed long after the marble was supposed to have been made. A collector with a bit of education, enough to develop a hint of skepticism, would then scrutinize the marble - why does the pontil not look right? Why is the surface so perfect? An unsuspecting collector should not expect to be educated by unscrupulous dealers, in any hobby. What happened to the saying "If it's too good to be real, it usually is"?

The strip of lutz is his signature on this marble. Sometimes he'll use a color not seen in antique marbles. A lot nicer than scratching his name on the surface.