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Yes. I have seen several with those marbles in them. Most have original marbles, only when they get into higher dollars was it worth switching common marbles to better known marbles, to raise the value of a common tray from $30.00 to $100.00 or $150.00. But Vitro did put Helmet marbles in some of these trays. The trays with Helmet marbles were $100.00 to $150.00 each ten years ago. Now they are about $50.00 to $75.00 each. Because there is a chance that the original marbles could have been switched out.
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For me the rarest or most difficult to find Jewel trays are the small chrome ones. Plus even more rare are the small chrome ones with different colored opaque game marbles. I have only ever seen three. One was never for sale and I bought the other two. The large chrome trays are not easy but I have had four or five of them and seen a few others. You have to be careful with these, as the marbles can be removed and replaced with any marbles the correct size. The Helmet trays years ago were priced three times what the others were. But then people found out that the marbles could be changed out. Then lots more trays begin showing up with Helmets in them. The trays with Helmets in them are slightly higher price now but not three times the usual trays. If I remember correct the smooth trays are the oldest, the hammered were later. All the chrome trays I have seen large or small were all smooth finish. The chrome trays are probably the very first ones. The lamps were all chrome. Time wise, the chrome trays, the smooth brass trays and then the hammered brass trays. Value is how rare or old, the size and the marbles in the tray. Do not polish them up like new with Brasso or other brass cleaners.
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Vitro Jewel Tray. Designed and produced by Art Fisher owner of Vitro Agate. Made for women to put their jewelry in at bed time. Many ended up used as ash trays. They were made in two sizes. One about 3.5 inches and one about 6 inches. Most are brass but a few are chrome. Some have Vitro Agate patent applied for stamped on the back. Some have the hammered finish and some are smooth finish. Some were produced with Vitro Helmet marbles. Some are marked Worlds Fair. A Worlds Fair tray in the original box is rare. Rare ones are the small chrome ones that have opaque different solid color game marbles around the edge. The normal small ones are normally about $30.00. The large ones are normally about $100.00-$150.00. Of course the chrome ones and ones with Helmet marbles are always higher. At one point I had over 200 of these. About a dozen large ones. I had two original box sets of them. One box set contained four trays and the other contained six trays. Art Fisher designed and produced several different items that contained his Vitro marbles. Along with different pieces of jewelry which contained Vitro marbles. One of the most rare Vitro items are the Vitro lamps. They were gave to special employees in(I think 1932) at Christmas. Probably 12 made, I know where 11 of those are. My partner Nola has two of them. It took me almost 20 years to get one. They are all chrome and contain 7/8 Vitro marbles. When he gave them away, none had any shade.
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Alley and a MK or Pelt ? Not actual road and tunnel but similar. MK or Pelt do not have the road and tunnel label or description. That is what it looks like. It is like corkscrew is usually and most often connected to Akro. But other companies had mistakes that turned into a corkscrew.
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Vacor and Cork.
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The last two= Blue not much top go on. The two tone brown base and green is Heaton .
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The two transparent green might be Cairo's.
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Second three= the white base and dark brown is probably Heaton. The other two could be several companies. Not a lot to narrow them down.
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The first three are two Alleys and the white base green and red/orange is Ravenswood.
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I am sure the top right three 12:00-1:00-2:00 o:clock are champion.
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Ravenswood-Heaton and Alley
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I think most or probably all are Alley. One or two do not have enough traits to be 100% sure. I think 98% odds that all are Alley.
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handmade german solitaire A few examples from a solitaire board I just bought
wvrons replied to Neil's topic in Marble I.D.'s
Nice marbles and board. Nice to save what is possible of the box. Great display which it deserves. -
As far as I know all the Hop Ching mesh bags of Chinese checker marbles contain Alley marbles. As well with most or all of the MARBLE KING yellow/orange checkerboard pattern header plastic bags also contain Alley Chinese checker marbles. There are several Hop Ching wood frame Chinese checker boards and different color mesh bags of Hop Ching Chinese checker marbles.
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Blue and Gold is WVU. I have several of Dave's very early marbles and a couple box sets. Plus some of his large one inch size. He did not make a lot of large ones. He started making them and ask me if I thought that he or I could sell them. I told him of course they would sell with no doubts. Lots of good memories with these and his experiments during the short learning phase. He even makes translucent ones.
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Good quality white base glass = Whole Milk. Lesser quality white base glass= 2% or 1% Milk.
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I agree 100% on each and every marble.
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I can agree with that. I was not sure if it was black or dark red ? I think the spots in the snow globes are different than the one above. It was a mistake by who ever produced it. Mistakes are difficult to pin down to one company. The more opinions or thoughts, the better any identification will be. This marble will have the same value who ever made it.
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I agree with Ric,. One of the easiest ways to spot a Wales, Pincer, or Asia, Japan, patch marbles is the small clear jagged window opening at the seam or cut line. Usually where the white and the other color meets. If it is a single solid color marble, this small clear window will still be there. These Wales, Pincer, Imperial, Asia or Japan type patch or solid marbles also have a seam or cut line very much like, almost exact as Master. These very curved ,more pointed cut lines are with these marbles only. Usually one cut line is curved more to a rounded point outward and the opposite cut line is curved rounded inward. They can also have marks or eyelash marks at the cut like some Akro does. But Akro, Vitro, or Master, do not have this small clear round or near round jagged hole at the cut line. Study the cut lines on all above. Look for the small clear window at the cut line. With the Vitro Conqueror and other Vitros the colors meet closer together at the cut line. Plus tghe cut line is not rounded or curved as much. None of the Vitro does the cut line curve inward. Cut lines are not always 100% the same, even with one company. Fopr different reasons, temp, how sharp the cutter blade is, etc. It is go with the majority again. Find more than one trait to identify a marble. The more traits you find the better the identification will be. Traits can be size, colors, color pattern, cut line, orange peel, base glass, uv on not, quality glass, etc. Brushed patch is usually attached to Master. Some Vitro and Marble King patches are normally know as veneered patch . If you say I found a brushed patch today. About all, if not all experienced collectors will assume you found a Master marble. Not a Vitro, or Wales, Pincer, foreign to the US marble. Enlarge the green box of marbles above. Look at the clear opening at the pointed cut line on marbles in every row. Then look at Vitro veneered patches. Master and Imperial, Asia, Japan marbles will be more alike than the Vitros. The Wales, and Pincher are usually always clear base. Some Imperial are opaque base. A lot of brushed patch Masters have colored transparent base. Some Master and Imperial come down to colors. Master and Imperial cut lines are very much alike, but not like any others.
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You are probably correct with Vitro.
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I think they are Alley.
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Nice CAC flame. That is $$$.00 .
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I would guess Vitro or Akro. The white flakes might be unmelted chemicals ? What size is it ?