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It has two seams or cuts. One cut in the first picture and a second cut in the last picture. Cuts or seams are usually on opposite sides across of each other, but a few can end up close together. The elongated hot glass stream or glob is cut as it falls into the cutter. It is cut once, sometimes folds over on its self, and cut a second time. As fast as you snap your fingers. Every machine made marble is cut twice. This marble is a little messed up, May be a messed up corkscrew ? Does it glow ? Most Peltier NLR show both seams or cuts well. Some marbles especially CAC actually show only one cut line. Many WV swirls and Jabos show no seams or cut lines at all. But they all are cut twice.

Looks like total different marbles. All we have is the pictures to go by. If the picture does not actually look like the marble, the identification cannot be accurate. They are not slags. Probably not Alley. Maybe Champion.

Not rare.

I thought WV swirls. Alley on the left and maybe the right ? I agree the white does not look like the white on slags. The left sure looks like the very twisted pushed together swirl pattern on lots of Alleys. Like slags, most Alleys also have more white. But he made the green swirls without as much white. I just do not have pictures of them. Most slags have a easily seen cut line. The white color on most slags is not stretched and thin like the second marble above. I don't think I have seen many slags with the wadded up pattern like on the left marble above Maybe slags, maybe swirls ???? Some traits for me with most slags are nice bright white usually wide, lots of it, cut lines and nice smooth slow twist or swirl. Either a slow 9 or almost cork pattern twist or more straight ribbons cut to cut. Slag versus swirl can be tough at times.

No CAC. Size helps with 90% of identifications.

What color is the base glass ? Purple, Brown, Green, etc. About every WV swirl company made these dark base and white swirls. Some can be narrowed down and some cannot. With the damage on this one the value is zero. So a exact identification is not one of high research. To identify these you need a few known for sure examples from each of the different companies for comparison. When you know for sure, the value is 25 cents to $1.00. The value is low because of the difficulty in identification and so many numbers of them available.

Messed up WV swirl. Common color, could be Alley, Heaton, Cairo, Champion, Ravenswood etc. Not intentional, non standard production as happened almost every hour of every day. At 250 per minute for 24 hours in only one day, lots of mistakes happen. First red flag or indication is the rough roll marks. Each hot glass glob has to spin in all different directions on its own axis in every groove of the rolls. If it spins one direction to much, this happens. Caused by many things, not correct size for the rolls, temperature, roll speed, etc. Might have been one or 100+. Depends on how fast the operator corrected the problem.

This will get worse Ric. Yellow Jacket

First requirement for a Popeye is a clear base.

Vitro

All machine mades. Machine mades have no pontils. They are rounded by machine rollers, not by hand .

I agree 100% with Ric on both. I also think it is a double ingot. The hand gathered Pelts were all slags according to many present and past Pelt experts. Akro and CAC also started with hand gathering and slags.

I agree. Master Akro or MFC slag.

Nice bunch of Vitro peas. Do not see many of those Chic Peas.

Two marbles that I have never owned, Lighting Strike and a Birdcage. Getting doubtful now as I get older. When I was going to 10 shows a year before the virus. I would see both of them once or twice a year. I agree not sure where the Lighting Strikes were made, but probably not Germany. Just me but I have seen more Lighting Strikes than I have Bird cages. Might be another reason The Bird cages are usually more money. That $1700.00 would be a little cheaper price than most Lighting Strikes, I have seen them at $2000.00 . I have seen some Bird cages $3000.00-$4000.00 . But people are paying $2000.00 for a Blue Galaxy. There are big numbers more of Blue Galaxies than Lighting Strikes or Bird Cages. I sold a nice mint Blue Galaxy for $1200.00 about 3-4 years ago and I was happy. The prices on some just keep climbing. The large 1 1/2 and over good handmades are still demanding high dollars. But most handmades values have been down or dropping for several years.

The Akro trademark and the Akro name were sold 3-4 years ago. The new owners are selling new marbles in new boxes with the Akro name and trademark.

A few years back I sold a 1 3/8+ inch cloud for $1800.00, out of Everett Grist collection after he passed. He had kept it in one of his old socks. I left it right there and sold it with the sock.

I have looked at the marble picture 10-15 times, that Steph posted above. I was probably wrong, I think it was polished. But polished at the pontil to open it up to see more of the inner core or marble. I can see where the white color ends looked stretched or pulled. But the bubbles on the rets of the marble look intact not opened. Maybe this just had the pontil are alone hand polished to open it up more for viewing. The one made like this that I currently have does not have a opening as large as the one above. Depending on how or what was done and how much. Polishing by hand can just polish one certain area. The three head machines grinds or polishes the marble all over. Sorry about the confusion.

I agree, nice Alley.

I think you found it. David is a friend of mine. I knew he did that thread. I did think about looking at it and should have. But was just to busy. Nice job finding the answer.

That yellow is odd. I think the little bit of purple is the dark blue showing through the white. I also am sticking with Vacor. Could be an older Vacor ?

With the size, I would say Vitro.

A lot more Alleys glow than Ravenswoods. About 10 to 1. But Alley also made a lot more numbers of marbles than Ravenswood.

Alley Coral.

I would say they are all Alleys. Nice pictures. One very close Ravenswood and one very close Champion. But with the good pictures the little details all say Alley for all.