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Ok, even if the marbles above had anything near a Vitro Buttermilk ? I have never heard of any Buttermilk with aventuine. So that alone would eliminate any Vitro Buttermilk. I understand that new collectors hear and see the Vitro Buttermilk. Then everything yellow reminds them of Vitro buttermilk. I never really thought anyone above thought these were Vitro Buttermilks. I was just listing some things that should steer collectors away from being focused on the yellow color. I didn't see anything about buttermilk base glass ? Vitro Buttermilk base glass does not glow and not like the marbles above. I always thought the Buttermilk base glass was translucent striated white. Also that the thin yellow buttermilk color was added as patch on one side, on about 1/2 of that one side the marble. The buttermilk color is usually about 1/4 or less of the total marble. Just trying to explain my earlier post. I need to slow down, check my words and post less of them. Many times I make it more confusing. We all agree they are Jabos. So that answered the original question. All is well.

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Heaton did produce Cat Eyes. The banana style cat eyes from the Heaton site were made by Bogard. The banana cat eyes are single colors of, most green, blue, orange, white, a few yellow and one two color banana blue and burnt orange color. I have the banana cat eyes in original bags. Good chance that Heaton may have produced a few of the banana cats. But according to what past workers and Jack Bogard told me. Is that CE Bogard and Jack Bogard produced the big majority of the banana cat eyes made at the Heaton factory. I tried not include many numbers of cat eyes in any Heatons that I sold. I did keep several for my self. Most of the dug banana cat eyes are green and have lots of hit marks. Most diggers picked up very few cat eyes if they knew it was a cat eye. I have always picked them up there for the last 25 years. I wanted the examples to learn from. The standard 4 vane cat eyes are very difficult to separate from Marble King. If possible to separate ? some can be but many I cannot. The plastic bags of Heaton Cat Eyes are not difficult to find. I see 3-4 or more bags of them for sale every year. The original bags of the banana cat eyes from the Heaton site are very difficult to see or find. I have only seen 4 or 5 bags in twenty five years.

Over the past year and more, I would say not high but 1 or 2% of all the marbles found at the Heaton site were not produced by Heaton or Bogard. Definitely found a few old slags, a couple or more old handmades, Akro corks and patches, Master, Ravenswood, Cairo Novelty, Marble King, Vitro, three or four Peltier that I saw. Maybe some I forgot. Probably the largest mixture of marbles not produced at this site, more than any other. Always a few odd ones that don't belong at every site. But the Heaton site had more of a variety than any site I know of. All and many more dug at Heaton factory site. 5/8 Heaton and 7/8 Akro cork Ravenswood Blue Raven Ravenswood Green Raven Old vintage sag. I saw 2 blue & white and 2 carmel colored ones. Slag

Also one of my top six favorite Vitros. That is buttermilk. Once you have a group like this above. You have no doubts what a Vitro Buttermilk looks like. The employees named this marble. They were produced in Vienna WV and early at the Parkersburg WV location. The front three are very good examples of the buttermilk. They did make 3/4 and 7/8 size. As you can see with the larger ones here in the back row. Most large ones tend to swirl more. Many or the colors of the larger ones tend to get darker. Because of being exposed to longer higher temperature to make the larger marble. The red, blue and buttermilk colors can get darker and thinner. Many large Vitros swirl. I see more 7/8 Parrots swirl than standard straight patch design.

Akro. I don't see any brown spots. I do see clumps of yellow in the first picture, which did not melt and flow well. If you put the yellow down in and under that mossey base glass, it may look tan or to a brown shade to some. Only two colors were used to make this marble. The mossy translucent base glass and the yellow. Sometimes we make a marble more difficult than it should be. We always want our marble to be up the value or rarity scale father than what it actually is 90% of the time. So we study it and with hopes, study it more trying to make it something it is not. How many times have I over and over tried to rub out that chip on the that long hunted marble. We wish our marbles to be better. Don't give up, just slow some and don't look to deep and hard. Step back and look at the big picture. I have give up more than once. But with a little time I always came back for more. Each time I came back, I learned more. It will not be easy or fast learning marbles. You may not be comfortable or a expert at it next year or the year after. But 25 years from now you might be ?

Way to much aventurine for most any Vitro. Aventurine is rare with most Vitro. When you do see it with Vitro, any av is usually small fine not clumps. I have never heard of any Vitro Buttermilk ever found with aventurine. To good to be true, is just that, 98% of the time.

There is just something odd here. That glass looks new. especially the cheap white. In the first picture that bump out of the swirl, looks odd. Most Alleys when they curve out are a smooth flow around the edge outline. Looks like it has cut marks all over. I think maybe the two actual cuts are close together. I wonder what size it is ? It just throws a lot of ???????????? at me for Alley. I am not positive where to lay my chip ? But not comfortable putting it on Alley. I may pass on this and hold my chip.

Real Vacors. Yellow and red colors are wrong and the patterns wrong.

All Jabo, all 3/4 inch, from different runs from 2008 to 2010 or 2011. I have sold them for $0.10 to $1.00 each.

I also think Akro. This is how some Akro were labeled earlier years as helmets. Very early years all helmets were from Akro. Then it was proven that Vitro actually produced the most and true helmet marbles. Akro had some that were near helmets but no where near the numbers that Vitro produced.

231 views as of now and 22 replies. Half of the replies were probably Chad. Evidently most people has these or seen these, not much response. Lots of work and effort for our benefit. I appreciate it. Thank you !

If he gets caught in the creek at Paden City, he may get a free night or nights stay in WV. I have seen his videos, I am not sure that I would want to follow him ? He jumps and gets excited over a newer All Red for him worth $50.00 . Then there was the 7/8 one which was worth $100.00 with the dings. That must be the key, why I can't get $5.00. Mine must look to new ? I need to age them. Get the ball bearings out for use.

Keep em coming. Lemon Pie -Key lime- Blue oatmeal -Rare Red Baron - Blueberry grape - yet on my list. Unless I missed these ?

I have spent the last two days cleaning and sorting Heatons. Not a dent in them yet. Still looking for all the named ones. Will put the named ones with the names in one case. I have seen some here which I let go that I only have one of. But I have more chances to find some ahead this winter. Maybe if I get to them ? Good thing I am retired. I will fill a case with the odd balls. I also put the non Heatons that were dug there in a separate case.

Heaton Triple ingot.

Almost every marble factory site in WV is empty or filled over deep. Only two or three sites of about fourteen have any amount of marbles remaining in the ground. The good ole days are very near gone forever. Any dug marbles might be rare in the years ahead. I have some hopes yet for two sites maybe someday ? I told people that Heaton would change owners. Then maybe we would have a chance at it once again. It happened and while I was still able to be part of it. My swat team has got older and not so fast any longer.

I sure remember those big white base green and yellow mibs. I remember tracking in the heavy red clay mud at the Bridgeport-Clarksburg Texas Roadhouse afterwards. We sure got some looks but we were tired and hungry. Plus the old Mountaineer restaurant many late night and early mornings, dirty, wet, muddy, tired, and hungry but with smiles. Plus the Pennsboro Crossroads Cafe breakfast and late dinners, and the waitress who liked to set beside Bill. She always got a good tip. We sure used up a lot of AA and AAA batteries. Wore out several pairs of gloves, boots, coats and coveralls. But it was worth all of it. What wonderful memories, better than the marbles.

I remember in the 1950's when the Ravenswood dime store sold Ravenswood marbles from a wood tray or divided compartments like above. My hand was not big but I could get a handful for my dime. Some people will ask what is a dime store. Shopping in a dime store shows my age. It was not the Dollar store then. Many things were 10 cents not $1.00 . Many toy items were a dime. A $1.00 toy was special for birthdays or special occasions. It is a problem today for many to remember or realize what the marbles original values were and the cost to produce them. Most employees of marble factories were some of the lowest paid. Plus every job in the marble factory had hazards, except packaging which was done most by women. Even recent years at Jabo some employee's had trouble reading time or a clock. Many marble factory employees never finished high school. But they were dependable and hard workers who appreciated their job. Extremely hot, bad air with fumes, bad chemicals, evening and night shifts, moving equipment every where, burn hazards every where, high noise, broken glass, poor lighting, equipment with constant problems, make your own patches and repairs, fire hazard as most buildings were all wood with wood floors, etc. plus numbers per hour goals. All to produce a cheap kids toy, to make smiles.

I agree two Peltiers.

Very good. I thought it might be a contemporary or something ground or polished heavy. Oxblood can end up opaque or if thin enough like most opaque colors it can be translucent.

Time for a larger box.

Nice pictures.

I was a investor in every Tribute run done. Joe Street did a good job on the video. Every marble collector should watch it. Some part of it will answer some question. This is the most simple method of making machine made marbles. Several companies systems are or were more complicated and more equipment.

Akro oxblood patches. Go find the blue ones and the eggyolk ones like these.