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Tell Roger and Claudia, Hi from Ron S. I have not got to see them like usual this year due to the virus. I think everyone in Clarksburg knows Roger and Claudia.
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Most everything has been said above, I AGREE !!! I am here for two reasons, to learn and share 25+ yrs. experience. I will never forget how difficult it was for me learning 20-25 years ago. So much total wrong information then. But we had to have something to start with. The information today is better than it was last year. Because of questions and many more people doing research. Different opinions and questions bring about more and better information. Marbles were produced as a toy. To have fun with them and make smiles. Marble on with a smile !
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I don't think that marble was polished. According to some handmade experts, Brian Esteep, Bill T. and others. These were made this way. I have one and have seen 5 or 6 others with a core or another marble inside. Plus the colors on this one have not been stretched or thin. None of the surface bubbles popped.
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Jabo did not have any spinner cup or special equipment to make corkscrews. But they happen when producing swirls. If the hot marble does not spin correct in all different directions constant in the very first six roll groves. it will have a spin in one direction making a cork, a yen yang, or other non planned twist pattern. Many different twisted cork patterns were made at Jabo during many years. Some were very good, some were not. There were many different investor runs at Jabo from 2008 until they closed recently. I am not convinced that any one person has every color combo or style made in any single run. They were about 160-180 different runs. Most had 2000lbs. each of marbles or more. That is 180 or over 200 tons of marbles. Certain marbles can be like looking for that needle in a large haystack. I was a investor in about 65 + runs. I had 3-5-6 cases after they were mixed from most runs. I never ever had every color combination made in a single run. Plus Jabo had lots of old classic and special investor run marbles that glow. Most glow because of cullet from nearby Fenton Art Glass Co. was used in the marbles. Fenton made their own batch glass to glow on purpose. I worked at Fenton in 1970-1971. To hot for me even in the winter with all doors open.
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I agree Akro slag. But old does not mean value. Many newer marbles can have values same as vintage ones. Condition is a big key with marbles, no, matter what age or how rare. It is a lot dinged up. Hits, sparkles, big chips and missing glass. Condition below nm-. Below any collector value at all. A example to learn with.
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You have about $3.00 to $10.00 total at the best. Christensen Red Devils are rare and valuable for a reason. They are rare. I have only seen two in 25 years of collecting and hundreds of marble shows. Keep trying rare finds do happen. But rare should mean rare. Not like many false ebay marble listings.
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Marble Alan's Website Update & New Address
wvrons replied to spara50's topic in General Marble & Glass Chat
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The two pink, purple, lavender at 11 o:clock are mid to late 1990's Champions. They gave two cases of these away by the handful at one of the early Cairo marble shows.
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Could easily be Jabo.
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Both are Jobber brand bags. Original bags but not any company that produced marbles. I think they are the same company from PA. You can find many different WV swirls in these cellophane, mesh and plastic bags. In these bags I have seen Ravenswoods -Champions - Alleys - probably others. Some of these can also be a mix from WV swirl companies. But most contain marbles from one company. They also did a 60 count mesh bag, but they are rare. They were located near most of the WV swirl companies and bought the marbles where ever the cheapest or available at the time. Bag1guy long time no see. About 20-25 years ago, you Dean, Al , Brandstetter and myself did a lot of Ebay bidding over many original bags. Wish the bags were available like they were 25yrs. ago. You had to have a nice bag collection. You out bib me enough times, LOL. Now I wish that I had doubled most of my bids back then.
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Got 3 large jars worth of very neat marbles
wvrons replied to chocobogreens's topic in Marble I.D.'s
Billions of opaque shooters were made. Opaque shooters were made by probably every machine made marble company. At least 98% of them made opaque shooters. -
Aventurine in oxblood is very very rare. Small bubbles and open areas in oxblood can look some like aventurine. A 10x or 20X loupe will solve the question. Aventurine is solid man made glass or chemical reactions, not a bubble, not transparent. It sparkles and reflects bright in very good light. A loupe even a cheap one gives the answer.
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Split from "I have 4 bumblebees-or do I"
wvrons replied to Chad G.'s topic in Board Of Inquiry - Squabble Zone
One thing I will not do is follow you or your listings. Added to the blocked list. I wonder why you have so much wrong information ???????????? Duh !!!!! -
Split from "I have 4 bumblebees-or do I"
wvrons replied to Chad G.'s topic in Board Of Inquiry - Squabble Zone
For real, it is what it is. I don't care if it is $6.00 or $6000.00. There is right and wrong. -
Split from "I have 4 bumblebees-or do I"
wvrons replied to Chad G.'s topic in Board Of Inquiry - Squabble Zone
Ebay is not a service or place to learn marbles or have marbles identified. Your wrong identified listed marbles is right at the top of confusion on ebay with marble listings. People wrongly rely on Ebay for marble identification and to learn from. As you have done. Then they learn the wrong thing, then pass around wrong information. People bidding on your listings with high reserve, have wasted their time and effort for your benefit only. The final assumption by you may be correct or wrong. Every listing on Ebay cost them money. Nothing is free in this world. More listings and the more Ebay will charge everyone in the end. False listings or false advertisement for sales anyplace is wrong. I do not think it is a good strategy. If you really don't want to sell the marble, don't list it. If you don't know what it is just say that, the truth. Just- A nice vintage machine made marble for sale. Unknown manufacture or unknown origin, unknow maker. The marble with good pictures should sell itself. Not the title or company or exciting high energy words. Very few and very few marbles worth $10.00 and up ever sell for less than what they are worth on Ebay. Some lots groups of 25 and up do contain a sleeper once in a while. On Ebay 95-99% of the vintage marbles receive their fair price. Most sell for more than they can be purchased elsewhere. People list some for 99cents and they may end up at $50.00 or $300.00 . I have bought and sold on Ebay for over 20 years. I have sold thousands of marbles there. Each and every year end, I have been happy with the sales. Some may go low but most do better than planned. But I have also never tried to mislead anyone with my auctions. Now we have seen another reason so many Ebay marble listings are so wrong. Plus giving marble collectors a bad reputation for people who use Ebay. You are trying to fool people and have. People evidently have bid on your listings. You are fooling them into bidding. With your hopes of determining a value by their bids. The listing is deceiving. maybe wrong and for your benefit alone. There is NO way I think that is a good strategy. If that is strategy ? I have to label it selfish strategy. Just my opinions. I try to treat people as I would like to be treated. Honestly. -
Color and pattern look Marble King. Some MK's do have aventurine. But the amount of av on this one is high for MK. A black and white picture only, I would have said MK. Is it a white base underneath ? It sure looks like it has white in the mix. With white it may point more to MK. It almost looks like two separate color streams. One on each side or each half of the marble. Looks like one side of the color streams got some white in it. Which will make the orange look close to a shade of pink. Again glass colors do not blend to make a new color like paint. But they do get thick or thin which changes the look. They do lay on top of each other or side by side and will change the look of color. Temperature high or low will also change the look of the color. The two separate color streams were not running the exact same. The odd color was not standard or on purpose. If it was a original white base, that may explain the two different colors on each half. A single color base glass does not change much on one marble. It does not split half one shade and the other half a different shade. A bifricated marble is two different colors(not shades)of base glass on one marble. Most times caused from switching colors of base glass. One half may be blue base and the other half green base, yellow base or whatever. For sure a problem was happening during normal production. It happens almost hourly, 24hrs. a day 7 days a week. When making 250 per minute. The machine operators job is to feed glass and correct problems as they happen.
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Probably Alley green and oxblood. I don't see any aventurine.
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Akro Popeye = clear base, white filaments or some white, and two or more other colors. Can be a corkscrew pattern or a patch. Clear base White filaments or some white Plus two or more other colors
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Top three MK Bengal Tigers. Bottom four left at 9 o:clock is MK Wasp. There are old MK wasp and newer MK wasp. This applies to many MK. The value or price can be ten times or 50+ times more for many older MK than the newer ones. With some there are two, three or four different versions depending on when and where they were produced. Such as a MK Green Hornet, they can be $500-700.00 or $30.00 or $15.00 or $5.00 depending on when they were made. The oldest 1950's and newest 1990's MK are easy to separate but the in between ones are more difficult.
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Marble pictures = Close up, fill the frame. Strong light. Flat smooth plain background. Camera, or phone, helps much to have Macro setting for close ups. Even some cheap simple camera do well. Myself and several I know use a Sony DSC T-200 or T-900. The T-200 has a Macro setting and a Super Macro setting with a Carl Zeiss lens.. It will fit in my shirt pocket. I dropped it in mud, sand and 3 feet of Ohio river water. I let it dry for days, worked most of the sand out and it worked fine for many more years. I have four of them now. They are no longer produced. You can get them on ebay from $25.00 to $100.00 . Some are like new and include original box and all the accessories. Extra batteries and chargers are cheap. I have bought three high dollar cameras and none did any better or as good or as easy to use as the Sony T-200. Many times it is not the camera but knowing how to use it best for marble pictures. Just look at the marble pictures you like and then why do you like them better than your own ? No magic camera for marbles, it is a combination of things. I like simple and fast. I do not use any special light box. Just strong overhead daylight leds and sometimes my small strong 500-750 lumens hand held marble light. I do use a lot of triple A batteries. With several of your pictures the camera or phone is focusing more on the background than it is the marble. I can see the material threads or your fingerprint in more detail than the marble. You have to try different things and decide what works best for you.
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MK or Heaton ? Those two companies cat eyes with single color and four vanes can be hard to separate.
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A translucent white milky base. The gray is thin blue in the translucent white. The lavender line could be thin red down deeper in the translucent base. The red could be from a previous marble run with red. I think there were three colors here when it was made, clear, white and blue. A clear base with white added in the base glass. The blue color was added up front, near the front end of the furnace, where the glass stream exits.
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Probably 2-3 Alleys. Nice clambroth. Yes a Akro oxblood. Plus bricks.