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All Akro below. I thought that I had some more pictures of these and more three color ones. I have not taken lots of Akro patch style marbles pictures. The original is for sure Vitro or Akro. The extra color on the edge where the opaque and transparent colors meet or overlap, I have seen more on Akro patches. More views of the original may also change things. The first picture of the original post looks Akro. .

I think it is Akro. This is one of those that caused the confusion that Akro made the helmet marbles. The true Vitro helmet style would have the similar transparent face of the helmet . But the main part or the majority of the helmet would have different color stripe down the middle of it. From the top middle edge of the helmet face to the lower backside of the helmet. It was named helmet because the pattern or style looks like a football helmet. What I call the Akro helmets, do not have the stripe of a different color for the center of the opaque part of the helmet. Some of the Akros can be all opaque. Akros in colors of, Green and black face, yellow with red face, white with orange face, white and blue with red face, green and black with yellow face, and I am sure a few other combos. The blue on the op here is a blue patch with bleed, not a stripe or more narrow ribbon. The extra different coloration where the opaque and transparent colors meet is normal on many of this style Akro. When I started collecting marbles the helmets were considered made by Akro in books and by many collectors. But Vitro made all the jewel trays and true helmet marbles. Many of the Akro Royal marbles have this similar nice bright transparent red. Vitro Helmets below. All have the stripe in the middle of the helmet. The Vitro helmets all have the stripe around the center on half of the marble. The similar Akros do not have this center stripe.

#1 = ? #2 = Champion #3 = Alley # 4 = Maybe CAC , not for sure ?

Akro

That is a WV swirl. Probably Ravenswood. All the WV swirl companies made these dark purple and white swirls. If you check close some are not purple but actually can be brown or green instead of purple. Some get very dark and look almost black. The white swirling with these, some have more opaque or solid than others. Some the white swirl has more sharp tips or like flame tips. Some have the hooks and tight switchbacks with the white. With some the white swirl stays on the surface more and some the white dives inside and out. Some can be separated and some cannot. If you put 6-10 together then you will notice differences in them. Then it is learning which trait belongs more to one company over the others. They are difficult to separate, which is a reason the value is low on these and plus there are so many available.

Bad copy of CAC with similar color combination. Look at all the little circles where the base color shows through the yellow color lines. This is heat from a torch a little to hot making gas bubbles and the surface color flowing away. Many times it is on a edge of color. The edge of the color is thinner and just a little to much heat makes it flow away, making holes where the base glass shows through the hole. They can be round or egg shaped, usually darker around the edge and can also be in small groups. Plus the swirl pattern is totally wrong, especially the twist on the left of the 3rd picture. The cut line in the 2nd and last picture is totally all wrong. Every picture shows definite contemporary poor torch made copy of a CAC.

All three colors and the shape of the two patches.

A vitro Tri Lite, but I would not call it a Buttermilk. It should have blue and better yellow.

I would guess foreign.

Correct definite newer torch made.

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Row #2 left is Alley and right is Heaton Steph got all the others.

I see some Vacor from Mexico. I see some older ones, out of round and damaged ones. The last group are game marbles, which every company made. For value, I see very few that would be $1.00 each. I see what a new collector might pay $3.00-$5.00 for all. The game marbles have almost no value. The damaged and bad out of round have almost no value. It is best to learn then buy. Buy and learn can be expensive. Old does not make it valuable. Condition is very important with marbles. If you have 30 shooters before I see any pictures, I will guess most or all are Jabo.

The true Alley Pistachio is a different green and more black and it has to glow. I think the ones above as Steph said are Ravenswood Novelty marbles. They are light green or more blue in the green base and the swirl more of a brown/purple shade. Up to now I don't know of any Ravenswood named Pistachio. The only marble I call or label a Pistachio is the Alley Pistachio. When marble names cross companies and attached to anything near the original, they loose meaning, value and cause more confusion. Now days I can say that I just got a nice Superman and it could be one of many marbles and worth 0.25 cents to $500.00. Even within one company, the same name can be for much different marbles. How many different Jabo Superman marbles are there ? Thirty years ago the marble name Superman meant maybe one or two certain marbles. What was the very first marble named Superman ? The more a name is stretched the more it is lost. Like ancestry family history. To many cousins and no one knows the actual original. The original got a name because it was special, not like many others that are something similar. Marble names are needed and can be a plus or become a minus.

Ebay marble listings makes a good laugh every day of the year. Some people just do not mind making their self look like a fool. Just a few minutes research, even of other marble listings would help several. Many times the title says enough. When they add words used with three or four different companies marbles. That says fast that they have no idea what they have or the value. Many times they may be better off just listing, marbles for sale or unknown marbles for sale. Some people have a lot more time to waste than most of us. I guess that one successful con a year can make it worth while to some people. The word travels fast in the marble collecting community. Marble collecting may be coast to coast but marble collectors stay in touch frequently. They may lie or rip people off a few times or for a short while. But word will travel and they will be gone. They might list no returns, but when ebay gets involved, a no return would be rare. Ebay is a buyers market, not a sellers market. When buyers send every misrepresented item back for a full refund, then the false listings will slow.

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#1 Vitro Tiger Eye #2 Vitro maybe Opal #3 Vitro Tiger Eye #4 Vitro #5 Alley swirl #6 Alley swirl You switched the #2 to #3 in the second pic.

Some marbles do need to glow as a requirement for that certain marble, like Akro Lemonade, etc. A few can be identified easier if they do or do not glow. But the big majority of the time the black light glow will not be a big factor. Old marbles can glow as well as brand new marbles. Experienced collectors can use a black light sometimes to make a final decision. There is no published list of marbles old or new that should glow. Many glow because the original cullet used in making the marble also glowed. Some of the oldest machine made companies did it as planned production. Almost if not every marble maker made some marbles that will glow under black light. Which type black light you use can depend on what response you get.

Probably 2003 or 2004. They had some good cullet glass then and made some nice quality marbles. Some resembled Popeyes.

There is also a difference in black lights. The electric fluorescent long tube type give a different response than the small hand held battery operated more like a flashlight black light. I think it has to do with wave length. LED and fluorescence are the same in ability to make things glow. Are you talking about LED black light or normal LED white light ? There are different black lights and they can show different colors or reactions depending on which type black light is used. There are different black lights and many different LED lights. With the same glass some black lights will show green color glow and a different black light may show orange color glow. Some of this also depends on exactly what is inside the glass and responsible for the glow.

All Jabo. The brown and green is also Jabo.

I think that I see some damage in the 4th pic. Maybe a good size chip, missing glass near the pontil . If so this would drop the normal value by about 60- 75%.

That is Bogard. Typical bad glass, not cooked proper, full of gas bubbles. Jack liked best to make industrial marbles. They had to be specific on size and roundness but the bubbles did not make any difference. He could produce the industrial marbles fast and steady but he never liked making any of the play marbles at the Bogard company or the Jabo company. That is why they(Jabo)hired Dave McCullough. Dave could and liked making the play marbles.

I agree Alley. Better glass and colors and pattern than Cairo.

It happens to 95 out of every 100 collections or large groups. The newer one or newer ones always end up with older marbles. Then it is always, but it was all old marbles and never touched for 50 years. How did one Jabo from 2003 get in with 60 vintage marbles ? It happens every week, every where.