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Vitro Blackie

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From the two pictures, I see about $3.00 to $5.00 worth If that ? If someone tells you more take their offer. Most collectors would not buy these for $3.00. Many are foreign to the US and the others are plain and common. Possible one good marble may be hiding, but doubtful. Wish it was better news but you have marbles like the majority of people do. They were made by the millions weekly by several companies from the 1930's until today. Someone may tell you they are worth $100.00. But if that is true, they should be willing to buy them for $100.00 or at least half that. The true value is what someone will pay at that exact time. I will not pay you $1.00 for those above by these two pictures. Not because they are bad but because I have had to many of these. It can depend on where you are selling them and to whom ?

Akro solid true black. Some of the highest price Akroware by color is black. Probably the next highest price by color is the gray and black swirled.

Akro-CAC-Peltier

Two of three.

Three marble companies made true black glass. There is true black glass. Just not much of it with most marbles.

100% Ravenswood

My dream came true !

I think the original marble is a Master and no oxblood. Not one thing with the original marble points to Akro. Another case of, we want to make our marbles into something more valuable than they are . We all do it, it is natural. When you are not sure, find out. But a open mind has to be ready to receive the info. Find out from different sources and then make your own decision. Even then, later with new and or more accurate information things may change. After 25+ years I am still learning about marbles every week of every year. We forget there were millions made per week by several companies for many years. I will never see every example, even pictures of every marble made by any single machine made company. I will never get all my questions answered for any single machine made company.

I talked with Sami in person yesterday about the Colorado. There is a Colorado and a Blue Colorado. The key is that these need to have a CLEAR base. Not tinted or even slightly tinted green, blue, amber, etc. I guess the clear base is rare for a MCS. So this is likely why they have names, it separates them from all the other millions of MCS. Yesterday at the Canton OH show I did find at least four or five MCS with opaque white, green, and orange swirled ribbons. But all had some green tint or green in the base. Sami had two of those. So the CLEAR base is the factor that separates these from the other millions of MCS. I now know some of the requirements for a Colorado. Most will be MCS. A clear base Opaque swirled ribbons of green, white and orange. Any other questions I don't have the answers. number of ribbons, who named it, why Colorado ??? The Blue Colorado is a MCS with a clear base. Someone else can answer the rest.

What about a yellow Colorado? What about a green Colorado ? What about orange Colorado ? Is each different base color, transparent amber, clear, transparent green. or transparent blue, each a different name ? Each color combination with each base color a different name ? There is a MCS with green base glass, with blue, red and white ribbons. Is it a Green Liberty MCS ? There is a MCS transparent green base with red or orange, blue and white ribbons. There are several base colors and ribbon color combinations. Are we naming all the MCS ? I read that MCS are always at least three colors plus the base. Then following that are pictures of two color ones and the base color. Are we naming every MCS ? I did not ask about a Blue Colorado, because I was not sure the Pelt experts and collectors had decided on that. It does not seem right to me to have only a blue. So if it is true then we should have a Yellow Colorado and Green Colorado and more. If the majority of long time Peltier collectors agree that the Pelt info site is the guide for Peltier named marbles ? Then that is what I will use, no problem. I think the best answers to most of the questions come from the people who named the marble. If they are no longer with us, then from one or more people who knew them well and knows the answers. Anyone can put up a web site or a facebook page and add any name to any marble. Does that mean it should be accepted by collectors ? That is exactly what is happening on Ebay now. If the majority of collectors accept a Blue Colorado that is fine. My next question is where is the Yellow Colorado, Green Colorado, etc ? Someone who ever named the original Colorado likely thought it was special. They also know why they picked Colorado as the name. But I don't know who that was ? Special marbles should have special names. But not all marbles can be special, being rare, limited numbers, better quality, set apart from the usual group. etc. Special marbles have higher values because of being rare, quality, set apart from the usual group. Not all but many have separate names from or in addition to a group name. If every MCS has a certain name, what is special or the separation about that ? Name every marble and no name has any meaning or value. Plus no human could remember them. Marble names are more confusing every year. Marble names are losing the original intent every year. Because there are already way to many marbles with names. I resisted for lots of years but I named marbles and left it up to collectors to decide if they used the name or not . It helps if we know the answers for the name. Who, why, and what are the requirements for a marble to be such.. Named marbles are a benefit but also can cause lots of confusion if not controlled some. That control is up to collectors. Maybe tomorrow I will pick a MCS that I have and name it the West Virginian. I can put it on a web site or facebook page. If that makes it official and collectors have to go by it. I don't know what the answers are for the future of marble names ? I just wanted to know what the original intent was from who and why for naming a Peltier MCS a Colorado. Plus what the requirements were for that certain named marble. That named marble has branched to another and compounded the confusion. As the names pile up so does the confusion and they have less meaning and value. Just follow this thread from the start to see it. I am going to the Canton OH show today. I thought that I might look for a Colorado. But I have changed my mind. Once every marble has a certain name. We all will have certain named marbles. And all our collections will be worth more.

Thank You !! Peltier Colorado Clear base Number of ribbons ? Ribbons usually swirled, but can be straight ? Ribbon colors of opaque green,orange and white. All three colors. Who named it ? Why is it named Colorado ? Ok we have three answers of six, 50%. So there is no blue in a Colorado. No transparent colored base for a Colorado. So the very first picture, #10 is the only Peltier Colorado in this thread. That is exactly what I had in my head. Clear base with opaque green, orange and white, MCS. No 7th cousin with transparent green base or 6th cousin with a transparent blue base. No 8th cousin with just orange and white ribbons. No cousin with blue ribbons. The true thing is not that difficult, as usual. Stretch the true thing and the longer the stretch the more difficult things become. Thanks, my confusion is gone and back where my first thoughts were.

Chocolate colored base with oxbood. Oxblood is a shade of red, not brown. Bill's examples are Akro Chocolate Oxblood. Which is chocolate color and oxblood color. They will not mix to make a new different color. Glass colors will not mix like paint to make a new different color. Just what they should look like. Without any stretch, no 7th times removed cousin in the family. The true thing is rare and valuable, this is why they have high value. I don't know if I have ever heard of or seen chocolate oxbood ?? Chocolate and oxblood are two separate colors.

In hand you can see two different white glass in most of these early Ravenswoods. The white batch base glass and white cullet that was added along with the other color striping. These marbles may have been what caused the trouble when two car loads of people from CAC came to Ravenswood. Broke the door down went in the Ravenswood factory and broke all the equipment with sledge hammers. Told them to stop making marbles, that they were infringing on their patent, and drove away. This is when Alley left Ravenswood to Paden City WV.

Red Raven Very early batch glass Ravenswoods. Most likley made from batch glass and not cullet. The white is snow white like CAC. Maybe made by L.E. Alley. Maybe some of the first marbles ever made by Alley and ever at Ravenswood WV. Then named Ravenswood Glass.

No problem. All companies had some marbles with the two cut lines close together or near each other, instead of on opposite sides of the marble. Nice Peltier examples in Sami's Peltier book page 48 top left, page 50 top right, page 53 top left, page 54 bottom left, page 68 top left, page 148 top left, and more. All companies had some of these, but with swirls WV or Peltier, it is not often seen because most swirls fold the cut lines inside and not seen. It happens from glass stream flow size, or speed and shear speed. Especially when things change from standard operation. When problems happen which was often. Collectors like errors, Ying Yang pattern, Ram's head, metallic's, burnt colors, odd shapes, aventurine by chemical reactions, double ingots, etc. A long list of error type marbles because there were millions or billions of them. Most were discarded but many made it to collectors today. Not special made or experimental, just non standard production.

Ric that is my favorite Sistersville. I think I have four now and that took 20 years. If you do find one they are not cheap. I have seen them sell for $250.00 and up. Lady Tater is one of my favorite Pennsboro marbles. But there are so many favorites.

Peltier Colorado Base = opaque-clear-translucent- colors Number of ribbons = Ribbons = straight-swirled or both Colors of ribbons = Who named it = Why is it named Colorado =

The first picture is the typical trade mark butt crack. The third picture is the opposite side of the butt crack fold. This all happens because of the short glass stream from the furnace to the shear. Short stream makes faster speed. The last picture is both cut marks close together, because of the fast speed the hot glass glob never got to fold over completely into itself before it was sheared by the second cut. A translucent cullet white base. The two added colors were orange and brown or maybe a purple. Those colors are in a straight line down the side of the elongated hot glass glob as it falls to the shear. The short stream does not give it time to twist. The shear cuts going across and fast going back across again. The glob never gets to twist or fold and the cut lines end up close together. The color stripes end in a big U shape. If it gets pinched or folded together tight you get the Jabo butt crack. This happened a lot with Jabo classics. This also happens when they change the speed of the cutter, or the speed and amount of flow from the furnace to the shear. If the operator notices these two cut lines close together he will change things to correct it. Because it will lead to more and bigger problems. Jabo classics end with more U and butt crack patterns than V's like Vitro's can. But even Akro has lots of V patterns. The V pattern is also from a short glass stream to the shear. Some people believed that Vitro made the V on purpose to represent Vitro. That is not true. I ask two Vitro plant managers and a few workers about the Vitro V. They did not do it intentional to represent Vitro in any way. If it ends up as a U or a V can depend on the exact type of shear and or the spacing between the holes of the shear blade. Less space between the holes and you get more of a V. Plus shear speed can change it from a U to a V or closed butt crack. Most of the shears at Jabo were old original late 1930's-1950's Vitro shears mounted on old Vitro marble machines.

MK named the Jillian, for Jill Spencer. She named 50% of the Marble King marbles over 25 years ago. They come in different sizes, I think they were all made at the Paden City location. Ribbon and patch configurations can vary some. A few may have a slight hint of blue along side of the ribbon or patch.

I am confused with these. It sounds like about 80% of the MCS would be a Colorado. What are the requirements for the Colorado ? Clear base or transparent colored base ? Certain transparent colored bases ? Or either ? How many color ribbons ? Certain color ribbons or combinations ? Does it have to be a swirl pattern ? I saw translucent and white base. Can they be opaque white base ? Or translucent white base ? How are early swirl types different than later ones ? How do you age them ? Does someone have a simple easy to understand list of requirements for a Peltier Colorado. Who named it ? A Akro Popeye requires a clear base with filaments or strands of white and two or more additional colors. Can be a corkscrew or patch pattern. No six to twelve cousins in the family. What does a Peltier Colorado require ?

No pontil, just a roll mark.