w8ingnthebushes Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 It’s got a translucent green base and it’s very hard to detect a seam on this one, if it has one it’s not obvious to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 Torch marble, perhaps Chinese, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8ingnthebushes Posted April 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 Just now, Ric said: Torch marble, perhaps Chinese, IMO. Never heard of it I’ll have to do some research Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 They are modern marbles made by hand with a torch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad G. Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 x2,no guinea, agree w/ Ric, Chinese torch made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carowill Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 Definitely a contemporary marble! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8ingnthebushes Posted April 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 It measures .74” and can you please point me in the direction where I can find some information about this as to why your saying what it is and is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carowill Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 Guineas rarely came in 3/4” size. Usually you see more stretching of the colors and no dark spots in the centers of the color specks in true Guineas. You need to look at a lot of true CAC marbles to appreciate the difference with the many copycats, as they are heavily copied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 The seams are usually obvious too . . . Guinea photos from @MARBLEMISER 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8ingnthebushes Posted April 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 19 minutes ago, Carowill said: Guineas rarely came in 3/4” size. Usually you see more stretching of the colors and no dark spots in the centers of the color specks in true Guineas. You need to look at a lot of true CAC marbles to appreciate the difference with the many copycats, as they are heavily copied. Starting from the top the 4th one to the right looks like my marble. And you say “rarely” which means that they do right? And “usually” also means that they do though? Right? I’ll do some more research, and it’s very possible that I just don’t want it to be a reproduction. But it’s also possible that other don’t want it to be genuine as well. I’ve read that CAC’s are known to come in 1 and 2 seams, as well as no seam at all. The colors look right according to the picture you provided and the marvel I pointed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carowill Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 No one wants your marble to be a reproduction Guinea. We would love to see you get a great find in the wild! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 Agree this is not the place for misinformation, straight shooters here only...👍 I think a Guinea is harder to find in the wild than a gold nugget....lol There is a reason there are so many copies, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 28 minutes ago, w8ingnthebushes said: . . . But it’s also possible that other don’t want it to be genuine as well. . . That's a borderline rude thing to say, since you are talking to people who are trying to help you. Why would someone not want your marble to be guinea? If you don't want honest responses, I recommend you not ask for ID help. 4 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carowill Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 Just now, Tommy said: Agree this is not the place for misinformation, straight shooters here only...👍 I think a Guinea is harder to find in the wild than a gold nugget....lol There is a reason there are so many copies, 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff54 Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 1 hour ago, w8ingnthebushes said: Starting from the top the 4th one to the right looks like my marble. And you say “rarely” which means that they do right? And “usually” also means that they do though? Right? I’ll do some more research, and it’s very possible that I just don’t want it to be a reproduction. But it’s also possible that other don’t want it to be genuine as well. I’ve read that CAC’s are known to come in 1 and 2 seams, as well as no seam at all. The colors look right according to the picture you provided and the marvel I pointed out. You're correct now on a few points you made. , You could not see any cut offs and you don't want it to be a fake. Yet what you studied apparently is what's of the hardest to learn about them. The reason, as well, you see no difference in the photos given. Albeit the two with tiny spots, I would need to have in my hands to believe them. You can't tell one from the other because you either need very large, high graphic photos of all sides to inspect and learn from or own the real things. These don't cost a major chunk of change for being plentiful. What's worse, 3/4" size triples the rarity and green too is next to impossible. Which means, if you didn't get had, taken for a ride, ripped off, you would not be the first, nor the seller know or understand the difference in a fake and real. And there's this, I do not think a green base that big has ever been discovered and green in 5/8? super rare. What you are just learning about is not just about fakes but rarity and value. Like, IDK what a market for real one like your fake would be but, likely in the range of $5,000 and possibly $10K! I.E. no you did not get lucky rather, do a better search because fakes and reproduction torch made or Germany, Europe, Mexico, fake USA, and China made are all over the place. Not to leave out Fake boxes too. ;(. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, Jeff54 said: . . . the two with tiny spots, I would need to have in my hands to believe them. . . I have had a couple of these in hand (not these particular marbles) and was confident that they were authentic. I think the theory is that they were made when "scrapping the bottom of the frit barrel", so to speak, and that seems plausible to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 It's an obvious fake but if you came here thinking we want your marbles to be fake, my opinion is of no value to you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akroorka Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 4 hours ago, w8ingnthebushes said: It’s got a translucent green base and it’s very hard to detect a seam on this one, if it has one it’s not obvious to me. Back to the original post—Please. I do not think that you stepped on too many toes here. You have purchased a guinea marble enough said, It just is not a CAC Guinea. I have purchased fake guinea’s myself. I know what the originals are; I just get them for future ID. I remember back when I was about 17 years old. I purchased a Van Gogh that I thought might be an original print—“Sunflowers”. LOL I still love it but I learned a lot after that purchase. Guinea’s are probably the most imitated marble ever known. Every glass maker that knows their stuff probably has tried to make one. As far as rarity—yep they are rare if you compare them to an Akro “Egg Yolk and Oxblood”. There are plenty out there yet, you just have to learn the trade. I hope that you did not jump on this one with too many dollars. My first purchase of what I thought was a CAC guinea was about forty years ago—it was a very dusty Vacor—lol. Live and learn my marble collecting friend. Let’s just keep it nice, we all are here to help—not discourage in any way. We have all suffered defeat and we have all learned from it. Imho yours is a nicely made USA torch made guinea, someone tried very hard. Marble—On!! 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa Posted April 30, 2023 Report Share Posted April 30, 2023 And there you have it. Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carowill Posted April 30, 2023 Report Share Posted April 30, 2023 30 minutes ago, Melissa said: And there you have it. Ugh. Note, there are zero feedbacks. That alone is a big red flag! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa Posted April 30, 2023 Report Share Posted April 30, 2023 Sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmoozer Posted April 30, 2023 Report Share Posted April 30, 2023 It will be interesting to see if he pulls it or not. saw this in his pics, looks like maybe a pontil mark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire1981 Posted April 30, 2023 Report Share Posted April 30, 2023 Man! If someone buys that ? The Seller will be laughing all the way to the Bank. Sad for sure. If it sells I could be sitting on 5K🔥 RAR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa Posted April 30, 2023 Report Share Posted April 30, 2023 I just don’t get why people come here and ask if they really don’t care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire1981 Posted April 30, 2023 Report Share Posted April 30, 2023 Fake CAC’s. I’ve seen people fall for these as well as fake Guineas. 🔥 RAR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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