B-rett66 Posted March 18 Report Share Posted March 18 Way back in November 2023 on my 3rd post I put this marble on the I.D. section asking for help and several responses were given. There was really no identification but rather what it wasn’t. Fair enough, some are hard to I.D. Since then I’ve been able to take a little bit better photo and increased my search ability and knowledge. I have several I’m still investigating like this one and eventually I hope to nail them down. This evening I was trying out a new google photo search feature on my phone and came across, once again a post on the Marble Connection archive post talking about European Whispler marbles. Most of them seem to be clear base but I have seen some more on the lines of opaque. This mable looks to be opaque but I think it’s actually a clear base. You can see into the marble with a good back light but is not very evident from the picture. The first pic is one I found in the archive and the rest are mine. Does anyone have some good shots of some Whisplers. The pics are from both ends and the size is consistenty .618 just a little shy of 5/8. Thanks again for the help. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted March 18 Report Share Posted March 18 Foreign imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akroorka Posted March 18 Report Share Posted March 18 Well, It is not a "Whispler" imho. The images are still hard to define. There do appear to be some possible “Pontil Marks”. Until you get a clearer image of the cutlines--- I will call this one a Master Made Marble. Marble—On!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-rett66 Posted March 18 Author Report Share Posted March 18 I’ll try to get a clearer image of the ends. I can see some kind of pontil scare / pinched cut line mark but I can’t get a clear shot. I’ll get back on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted March 18 Report Share Posted March 18 I can't swear not Master, but my first thought was Asian because of the texture, the little snowflakes near the surface, and that pinched cut mark. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-rett66 Posted March 18 Author Report Share Posted March 18 I agree with pinched cut marks. I think the snow flakes are hit marks to be honest. A good clear pic would sure help. There is nothing like seeing it in person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-rett66 Posted March 18 Author Report Share Posted March 18 Ok, I think we may have solved this one. And once again I’m referring to Marble Alan’s page this time under Master Marble. Quote “ All marbles, produced by Master Marble and Master Glass, utilize the same type of machinery, which was similar to that used by Akro but which never involved the “freeze” improvement that eliminated cut off marks at polls by offsetting the rollers. Therefore all Master Marbles, even the Clearies and Opaque possesses tiny cut marks and feathering at the poles. These crimps will occur in conjunction with the seams, which usually form there at either pole. Generally, the U-shaped seams occur on older examples, Master Marble, while the V-shaped seams are associated with later ones Master Glass. An additional method, and perhaps more reliable one to differentiate between Master Marble and Master Glass marbles is that generally brighter colors or employed on the former, while the duller colors were used in the latter, this trait is on most American machine made marbles which switch to cheaper and therefore less vibrant colors during the 30s.” Shew, that’s a lot of writing. So I’ll have to look a little closer to see if it’s a “ V “ shape cut seam but its definitely duller colors. Master Glass Marble in my opinion. Any takers? Again thanks for putting up with my questions and guiding me in a very helpful direction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris64 Posted March 19 Report Share Posted March 19 If that is a pontil i would have to call it a Transitional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad G. Posted March 19 Report Share Posted March 19 No pontil, 100% machine made, OP is Foreign, Imperial IMO 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted March 19 Report Share Posted March 19 17 hours ago, B-rett66 said: I agree with pinched cut marks. I think the snow flakes are hit marks to be honest. A good clear pic would sure help. There is nothing like seeing it in person. Yeah, maybe a close-up would help ... or a magnifying glass on your end. I'm still thinking as-mades on the white bits. Would take more detail to change what my eye thinks it's seeing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted March 19 Report Share Posted March 19 Put me down for Imperial. They can look so much like Master it's tough to tell sometimes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-rett66 Posted March 19 Author Report Share Posted March 19 Ok everyone, first of all, I’d like to say thank you for your help on this marble. I don’t want to beat a dead horse, but I did promise to try and get some better pictures and I think I may have. Steph I think the snow flakes are air bubbles close to the surface that have cracked but are still intact. They are close to other bubbles that you can somewhat see. I think it would take a microscope to see that. LOL That’s just my opinion. I hope you all have enjoyed this post and discussion as much as I have. I can’t wait to open this and every thread I’ve started or participated in to see what others have to say. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akroorka Posted March 19 Report Share Posted March 19 The one thing that I look for in Master Made Marbles is very few flaws. Master Made Marbles are without a doubt in my mind, some of the best, most rounded and flawless marbles made. They all could take a hit and much more—some of the best players ever made. If this one is out of round by even a bit—it is not a Master Made Marble imho. I am starting to think that this one may just be a hand-gathered marble of some sort. I appreciate all opinions and hope to see some more. Marble—On!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris64 Posted March 19 Report Share Posted March 19 If its a pontil its a transitional no pontil....its a Master Made Marble in my opinion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carowill Posted March 19 Report Share Posted March 19 Imperial IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire1981 Posted March 19 Report Share Posted March 19 Here’s a 1 inch Imperial for comparison 🔥 RAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-rett66 Posted March 19 Author Report Share Posted March 19 One things for sure, I’m going to remember it as a Transitional Imperial Master. Sort of a Shogun Warrior. 🥷 Thanks all, I had a lot of fun with this one. If anything I learned how to take a little better picture with my phone. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-rett66 Posted March 19 Author Report Share Posted March 19 1 hour ago, akroorka said: The one thing that I look for in Master Made Marbles is very few flaws. Master Made Marbles are without a doubt in my mind, some of the best, most rounded and flawless marbles made. They all could take a hit and much more—some of the best players ever made. If this one is out of round by even a bit—it is not a Master Made Marble imho. I am starting to think that this one may just be a hand-gathered marble of some sort. I appreciate all opinions and hope to see some more. Marble—On!! I’m going to measure it again. If I’m not mistaken it was .618 all the way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 The cutlines keep me in the Imperial camp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-rett66 Posted March 20 Author Report Share Posted March 20 1 hour ago, Steph said: The cutlines keep me in the Imperial camp. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nantucketdink Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 It would be interesting to take a look at groupings of white/brown/clear Masters, Asian imperials, and Whisplers to see an in-depth study. Any takers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nantucketdink Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 Purple/brown I should clarify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 I'm on the imperial train 🚆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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