Marbleous1, the Tribute group has made no secret about the marbles they made in 4 different runs. We even named a number of them. I posted pics on this very chat board each time we did another run. No secrets! I did not post the last run because of all the negative comments. I didn't want to hear them. I did however post the pics on the contemporary hand made board. Nobody complained that they were machine mades. They drew no negative remarks. This board might have more pics for those concerned about buying them for vintage if investors could feel comfortable about posting pics here. I have examples of almost every other experimental run made too. I would post pics of them except for the negative reactions generated here. So, what I'm trying to say is -- we have no secrets. If you don't know what they look like, it's not because we're hiding them. It is because we don't like the negativity.