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A single stream would explain why some European flames look similar to wirepulls

This is what I was thinking of, a bit closer than I thought, without the green of course. And yes, there is a possibility I'm way off

That first one sure has a wild pattern! I've got a couple around that are only red & white that I was never quite sure since the pattern seemed too crazy for pelt. Red white AND green is even better, and really shows that pelt were capable of making some marbles that even make their later baseballs look pretty boring.

They certainly all share the same type of style/colors and fill in a "gap" between onionskins and banded coreless. Some examples ranging closer to either of those styles, but great looking marbles no matter what they're called. I've heard colorful onionskins (with bright opaque colors) sometimes referred to as clowns. Is it possible for an onionskin to be on a base other than white or yellow? ie: clear?

Wow, that's really interesting stuff! I sort my machine mades by "some of these don't quite look like the others" and a couple in question almost look like some that you've posted, in my opinion. I may have posted these pictures before, what do you think? OK, been a while since I posted a pic here...let's try this again From part II, and yes those green/red/black ones are cool too

wow, the middle row from 9 to 3 are awesome, but they all look great! Must have been fun putting together that group!

I'm liking some of these machine mades, really the "pink" & blue and the some of the others in the "clown" picture. Very nice

Even better with my own two eyes, thanks Mike. Hadn't seen colors like 'em since this rainbow from a few weeks back. That Mica sparkles like rain in the sunshine, excellent.

Pretty cool! Can't say I've seen the 2nd or 3rd down in that size. Not to bring up the topic of flaming dragon vs regular dragon but the non-white based 2-color shooters aren't something seen too often (by me anyway)

Thanks for the reply. Since oils (snake oil, mineral oil etc.) can leach into cracks for a short term "restoration" would this affect keep a marble from being cooked? I've wondered about this for awhile since seeing it suggested, and knowing oils can penetrate and having a hard time getting it back out. I suppose they could burn off if the glass gets that hot, but do these restored marbles get cooked that hot?

Thanks for posting those Kokoken, another fan of the blue/white, I see.

Does "cooking" get rid of chips or subsurface moons without removing glass? Or is "cooking" just for helping fix internal fractures? I never understood exactly what happens to a marble when it's "cooked" other than it's a way of restoration...which makes a bit of sense if I picture somebody polishing an ice sculpture with a blow torch. Am I way off?

From the top, some of those almost look similar to Akro corkscrews. Here's a couple red & whites that tried shining up good. "Mystery" marble companies sound like a scooby doo adventure, let's hear more!

It must be something about the symmetry of caged marbles that make them appealing. Looks like you've got a good start on a nice group. I'm a fan of the blue/white cores. I can't explain why, but I think white cage (are we defining cage as more than a dozen?) is more common, followed by yellow, then orange, maybe red, green, blue, purple, etc. Alternating colors must fit in there somewhere so I'm not sure of the specifics. I suppose a latt surrounding a solid core (or other) could still be considered a cage. Nice one Road Dog Mica or Lutz on latt/solid/ribbon swirls would definitely stand out in a crowd. Can't say I've seen one but sure they're out there. Roger, yikes! That stands out in a crowd as well

Did Akro Agate ever make anything out of Agate? SOme of their slag-types were also referred to as Onyx, weren't they?

Reverse gathered handmades are out there, and it could either be from the left hand... or just the right hand looking for a break from twisting clockwise all the time? Heck, I don't know It makes sense that some machine mades could be running backwards by mistake. Cool article btw

Looks good, haven't seen that 9 pattern so well defined on vaseline glass. Other marbles shown are pretty nice too. What's to stop someone from taking a picture, reversing the image, and ..? I've been thinking about so many 6's and 9's that I grabbed a piece of paper and had to scribble a couple in reverse to compare how they're really supposed to look. No, wait... that's backwards (or is it?)

An amazing find and that yellow/red/green lightning really stands out. Can't say I've even seen a plain one in hand, or a ribbon onionskin. Cool marbles, I really dig seeing some odd handmades. Haven't used the search feature yet, but any input on how the Lightning's came to be? Early/Late in terms of other handmades? Limited market (ie. Europe, like some of those other not-just-your-everyday handmades)? 2-pontil (why just color on the sides rather than pole to pole)? Ground pontil? Just curious, I could search but you seem like a fellow enthusiast that wouldn't mind a few questions. While on topic of seeing a couple really rare types, are "chevrons" plentiful over there too?

Couldn't find a red one, it's gotta be around some where (or just my imagination). To ID by manufacturer when it comes to this type, the best I can do is sort by ones that look alike. Don't be upset if there are a couple others that snuck in, I wouldn't bet my lunch when it comes to ID'ing machine mades but I like to learn.

Cool, I haven't seen too much info on these types, but seeing them beside each other in everybody's group shot, fills in some blanks. I might have a red one, have to take a closer look around in my "don't know what they are" pile. Which IS getting more organized with some of the info/help I've got on this board.

Got around to taking a picture, I'm not sure on a couple of these, but they look nice together

Seeing those kind of non-mainstream pelts is refreshing.

I don't know a whole lot about bird cages and even less about authenticating old notes. I am suprised to see the quotation marks for emphasis in that era (I can be ignorant but curious). Heck, just speaking out loud

Wow. I think there's a certain point where the descriptive part of a "name" doesn't help. Sometimes you actually need to see it to understand. Thanks for sharing those, most of which I think almost fit into their own category.

Not much bigger than 1 1/4" but some of my fav patterns.