Steph

Pretty good feeling about Master on the bottom. Weird on the top one. A medium-length flattish seam, with a purple ribbon on both sides of the seam. Looks like you're basically showing the same seam in each photo, rotated a little but still with that one seam in view. What does the other end of the marble look like?

I'm playing catch-up on marble threads. This one gave me two thoughts, both in the cat's eye category. Wild modern Marble King cat's eye. Or European cat's eye. So, I really don't know, and Ric could be on point with Akro. But those are the thoughts which occurred to me due to the shade and the shape of the green, plus the odd white.

Woot! Woot! Earth 2.0 doing us vintage people proud!

Well, Kokomo got the machines from Peltier, and then made marbles resembling Peltier Rainbos. That was my standard "playing it safe" reply for marbles which look like Peltier Rainbos but something a little off. Now I have to think of a new one. William, thanks for the extra seam shots. Ron said Pelt over on that other thread, so I'll say the needle tips more strongly toward Pelt here too. Happy Easter to you too!

Fun find! I wonder if they there would be different games from what kids play or played here ... and if they are historically based games or new inventions by school teachers or whatnot.

1. This goes with the two in your other thread that I can be sure were made on a Peltier Rainbo machine, but I'm not sure which state the machine was in. Illinois or Indiana. It's a Peltier or a Kokomo. 2. I think Jabo here. 3. At 3/4", with that pattern, I'll say Alley.

I can't tell if the top is old or new. I could see it going either way. The bottom two were made on Peltier Rainbo machines, but they look non-typical enough to me to make me wonder if those Peltier machines might have happened to be at the Kokomo factory. When in doubt choose Peltier over Kokomo ... but I would like to see more straight on seam shots of those two.

Hmmmm, indeed!

I heard back from Paula. It wasn't Novas. It was Cosmic Rainbows that she wrote and article about.

Be careful about white-based marbles which look like WV swirls which come in groups where all the rest are Vacor. Check out these Old Fashions. DETAILED INFORMATION (billes-en-tete.com)

Royal on the left. Moss Agate on the right.

I'm thinking Akro.

#1. Peltier Rainbo. And I'll say Pelt Rainbo on #2 also though the unusual pattern leaves me room for doubt.

I'm thinking "beautiful lavender slag with lots of white".

Cool! I have a piece of aventurine carved into a cat. I also have new shelves to put together for my marbles in the attic, so that I will be able to find them and not say "I have this but can't get to it right now". I think I'll go right now and get started on putting those shelves together.

I don't recognize #1. Strong Akro on #3.

The heart is sweet to say the least!

Hmmm ... I'm keeping CAC in consideration. What does it look like inside? Is the purple transparent? Have you backlit it?

aw, thank you ...

OUCH!!!!! Was it totalled?

Are those geodes you found? That would be so exciting to find a geode ... exciting to able to recognize a rock that you thought could be a geode! I live half a mile from Lake Michigan ... I'm can find some nice smooth rocks at the shore but nothing exciting so far. Are the animals Mexican Onyx? I've seen things like that in border towns. ds Baja California onyx has a chapter in marble history -- the California Onyx company used it for marbles, gear shift knobs, radiator knobs, and more.

Oh good. But I still think there might be another one floating around. I need to ask Paula if I'm remembering correctly that she wrote an updated one. Maybe it was a different topic. To Be Continued ....

For an example, even though Joemarbles is down, I knew how to get to a copy of David's article that Joe had. I just gave that its own thread. David Chamberlain's "Root Beer Floats, Novas, and Pink Champagnes"

Here is David's classic article as quoted from Joemarbles.com: Root Beer Floats, Novas, and Pink Champagnes Peltier Marble Company By David Chamberlain I believe its time that some clarity was brought to bare on the actual origin of the above named marbles. Confusion reigns and it will only get worse in time. In 1989, the legendary West Coast Toy & Marble Dealer, Russell Coppel, commissioned eight different marbles through Peltier Marble Company of Ottawa, Illinois (Photo1). Exceedingly small quantities were manufactured approximately 7000 of each design and all were right around 7/8 to 15/16. It was Russells intention to sell them in boxed sets, but that never happened. Mostly they were box lot sales to antique dealers in California. The marbles gave Russell great trading strength because they were big and beautiful. If anything, Russell was and is the Master of Trades. PHOTO #1 Russell would be doing a cross-country trip visiting family in Minnesota, make a marble connection, and descend on Amana or the Columbus show with maybe two or three marbles but the right ones. They might not even be his marbles! He'd leave the show though with one of the bigger cash hauls plus many more marbles going than he had coming. Russell would also bring bulk marbles to Amana. It made no difference the pedigree; hed go bulk! My first visit to Amana in 1990 was with Russell and he had something like 125 sulphides. Late one evening we were out in the 2nd floor hallway bowling sulphides! Had to quit though because it became obvious wed eventually break someone’s ankle with all the coming and going in and out of the rooms. You think you have marble stories! Well, when it was obvious that the eight different marbles weren’t ever going to see being boxed-up into a cozy little group, I told Russell he should at least approach A&W with a promotional schtick for the Root Beer Floats (photo 2). Never happened! At least he named them proper and the Novas too, being exploding stars against the blackness of space (photo 3). I think I christened the Pink Champagnes (photo 4). PHOTO #2 PHOTO #3 PHOTO #4 The main confusion lies with the Novas because there were three black-based marbles with surface red & yellow but only one with an additional surface bruising of white. They are variously lumped together as all being Novas, whereas only one of them was. Marilyn Barrett highlighted the Novas in her 2002 marble calendar with an inset photo. In Photos 1 and 5a & b, the Nova is the one in the first position, a narrow ribboned and patched in the second, and the one with the odd swiggle in the third position. If you had a mixed bag of these three black-based varieties, you could easily pick out the three types. PHOTO #5a (top row, front) #5b (bottom row, reverse side): Little known outside of these named marbles and unfortunately so, are the two white-based marbles, one having two intense translucent blue ribbons with depth (photo 6), the other having orange patches beautifully edged in many cases with yellow (photo 7). PHOTO #6 PHOTO #7 Finally, there’s the lowly black-based with white smears and ribbons. Nearly every one of these experienced internal fracturing or more likely multiple surface annealing cracks. Tough! Sometimes they just don’t get it right! PHOTO #8 I credit Russell with encouraging me to consider marbles well before I leapt into the marble ring. For a while he drifted away from marbles but just this year he had evidenced a renewed interest, even asking me for a copy of Larry & Marlow’s cats-eye book and he has started collecting them. We have a mutual corrupting influence on each other as not too long ago Russell and Jeffry Grey (the maker of Fiber Agates fiberglass, not fiber optic marbles) got me into collecting SUPER BALLS. Now if that isn’t pathetic, I don’t know what is! I hope this has brought the light of day to this small group of marbles and a better understanding of some fine Peltier marbles from the not too distant past. David Chamberlain, 11-10-2005

Thanks, Tommy. By the way, who authored the link at AAM? Is it the classic David Chamberlain article? Or the information which Paula Cole (aka marblemover) compiled? Or something else? As with most topics, I have a lot of sources I could reassemble into something useful for me, but not in a ready-to-read format for anyone else.