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Veliigglas for sure, not Alley.

Rare marble. The condition might affect the $800.00 some ? Not bad,nice but as mades, slight orange peel. Your first picture looked fine. The last four pictures, three of those the colors look wrong. I hope it actually looks more like your first picture.

I agree.

Sure is.

It is glass. Need more pictures for id. Lots of damage.

Your second pic of three, I believe it is a Vitro Whitie. There are two different style or types of Whties. Older are the brighter color ribbons and look more white, opaque. some of these contain aventurine. Newer are more clear showing and thinner colors. With time almost or all companies had to cut cost for many reasons. As usual cost cutting means less quality. One reason why most older marbles are more valuable. Better glass better colors better quality. The four pics above, the bottom right is not a Whitie. I think the first marble is a Whitie. The newer or later version. The ribbon color is weak. Maybe start of this color or as it was running out ? I have seen these before. Never heard of blind tiger or albino tiger eye ? Most Vitro Tiger Eyes, type 1-2 & 3 are clear base but type 4 is opaque base. Like Vitro Blackies there are totally different type or styles of Blackies. Older and newer or later what some call Reverse Blackie, plus Anti Blackie.

Age does not make them valuable. Condition is more important than age, A 1930 or 1940 desirable mint range marble that may be $500. With a chip that can be seen with the naked eye can drop that marble to $100.00 or $50.00. Most long time collectors will pass it completely. There were billions of many common ones made. Some reasons the more rare mint condition ones are so much more valuable. For years I have seen so many people buy a quart jar of marbles which contain $5.00 or $10.00 worth for all. For years I have also heard them all say," but those are old marbles". They are worth hundreds of dollars. Then they learn the truth. Plus most times they find one or a few newer ones in the group. I have been told many times, it has been untouched or unopened for the last 50 years. Then I see a marble that I watched made in 2003. It is a wasted effort to inform them different. I hear "you just want to buy them cheap". Then I reply, no I don't want to buy them for $1.00, have a nice day.

Not Jackson. Jackson made a clear base with nice bright blue and nice white, which do not glow. Jackson made a dirty or crème white base with a more dull looking blue. This dirty crème white is a certain color and type of Vitrolite which does glow. All the Jacksons which glow will contain this dirty creme looking white cullet from Vitrolite glass. From the pictures your marble looks like Jabo. The pattern especially the second picture looks Jabo. Lots of Jabo classics had clear. Lots of Jabo classics and newer Jabos glow. Jabo used lots of Fenton Art Glass cullet which glows. Not much of the marble above fits vintage slags. But very much of the marble above fits Jabo traits. A blue and white vintage slag where the some of the blue glows would be very unusual. if it is irrefutably a slag ? Then you might call it a Jabo slag.

Millions

The marble term horsehair is associated with oxblood. Horsehair oxblood is a very small line of oxblood. Small like horsehair. The marble above does not have oxblood. Being no oxblood, I would not connect horsehair with the marble above.

Christensen Agate Cambridge Ohio. No name for the marbles. Style or type are one flame and two swirls.

One of the most common Alleys. Most of these were made at the St.Marys location.

Looks Jabo to me.

Never heard of a turkey fold ? Every machine made marble company had marbles with a crease or cold roll mark. The glass was a little to cold and the marble did not roll completely together to be smooth. I think your marble is a Jabo.

Good to hear that it is still together some where in the Weston Glass Museum. I think that collection contained some rare and unique items including paper work and documents dealing with glass marble production.

Many water wheels were used in WV during the 1800's for grist mills. Grinding corn for corn meal, flour and other uses. No production of any glass marbles were being made in WV in the 1800's. Glass marble production began in WV during the early 1900's. The blowers for the air to the glass furnaces were run by electric motors. Possible that a water wheel could have supplied power for blowers at a glass furnace in WV at some time. But I have never seen or heard anything about it, with WV glass. Most of the WV glass production began in the early 1900's. Because of the abundant cheap supply of natural gas. I think the piece of glass found in the WV stream is more likely from the time period of 1900 to 1960. Most likely from 1930 to 1960 or later.

Old or contemporary ?

Sort them in groups the best that you can break them down. Sort by colors. Learn types or style. Patch-swirl-corkscrew-ribbon- patch & ribbon-etc. Learn difference between handmade and machine made. The you can start sorting. Value always depends on condition. Be prepared to spend lots of time. Not every marble can be identified, or 100% to one maker or company alone.

There are also translucent Indian's called Maglite. They look dark but backlight them and they are not all opaque.

Yes it is Alley. Probably most all of the Coral colored or striped marbles have now been attributed to Alley or CAC. The majority being attributed to Alley. The majority of those being produced at the St.Marys WV location. More information came about from the collections of two L.E. Alley grandsons. More information came about from more recent excavations at the St.Marys site. Champion and Alley factories were located within a few yards of each other at different years. Champion used the old alley building for storage and packaging. Champion packaged lots of WV marbles from many companies. So years ago what evidence there was pointed to Champion for most of the corals. But more and new evidence has changed most of the corals towards being produced by Alley. Alley corals can be opaque or transparent. Pictures can be found in the book L.E. Alley "Father of West Virginia Swirls" . Some are now named Alley Exotic Coral. There is also one with the similar bright transparent green base with only yellow. This one is named the Alley Mountain Dew. I also believe there are some CAC coral marbles. I think those are few or rare. If you find a cut line or double cut lines, you probably have a CAC coral.

"what is left" I wonder where it went ? It was not WV marbles alone. Most of what was displayed came from the National Marble Museum in CA. There were a large amount of marbles of all kinds and values which came from the National Marble Museum. Which the majority of were donated free by many collectors. I don't think all of what came from the National Marble Museum was ever out on display. A reason I never sent any marble donations. It would be nice if there was a place that you could think your marble donations would be secure and remain on display for the future. Maybe someone's collection got larger or their pockets heavier or maybe not ???????? Maybe they are in storage ? I am not so sure that is what the people who donated them had hopes of.

Why were so many glass factories located in WV ? In 1915 to the 1940's or 50's WV had some of if not the cheapest abundant natural gas in the world. The structures needed were built from wood and it was abundant and cheap. WV had the correct sand for glass making. WV had abundant natural water supplies. WV had north south east west railroads for shipping. It was not long until WV had abundant cheap glass workers. Why did Akro leave Ohio ? All of the above. They all needed water for the process and for safety. These were wood buildings. When you have 2000 degree red hot glass contact wood, fire happens. Most of the factory floor below equipment was covered with lime to prevent the floor from burning. But water was always close by. Much of which was not pumped, it was carried to the building ,stored in barrels or a cistern. Much of it was hillbilly common sense. If you have a wooden wheelbarrow with a steel wheel, no rubber tire. It is full of a hundred pounds of unsellable glass. The boss tells you to get rid of it, dispose of it. Are you going to take it out the door and go uphill or a long distance to dump the wheelbarrow? No you go level or down hill as much as possible and as short a distance as possible. Many of the factories were near water and usually built on a elevation out of flooding with the water someplace below. So many of the streams in WV located near a glass factory will contain glass.

It is not uncommon the find glass in many WV streams. I doubt that any water wheel had anything to do with glass production in WV. Almost every town large or small at some time between 1920 and today had a glass factory. Window glass, lamp shades, all types of crystal, restaurant ware, plant and flower vases, 18-20 marble companies, every type of glass. Some lasted 100+ years. Glass industry was in the top three industries along with coal and timber in WV. Dean Six did a book on WV Glass factories. It has hundreds or thousand pictures and info on WV glass companies. Many of those factories were located near a water source and a railroad. Back in those years tons and tons of discarded glass went over a stream or river bank. They were not paying someone to dig a hole to bury it. There was no one hauling waste to a central landfill. The landfill was the low spot, a dip or hallow or a stream bank which was close to the operation. Preferably level or downhill from the factory building. Marbles and cullet have been found in every stream in sight of any WV marble factory. Most WV marble factories had a nearby stream or river in which cullet and marbles were discarded. Most all WV glass companies. If they produced to much, if production not as planned, non standard production, production that did not sell, etc. were discarded. They did not have any large warehouse for storage. Most of the structures were made of all wood. Another reason many went out of business or moved. Because they burned down. WV had large numbers of different types of glass factories, small and large. Many WV streams and rivers contain different types of glass small and large.

I have seen her display case of CAC pee wee's several times. I have even sold her some which are in that case.

Once again, a job well done, Very nice Scott ! You are a great ambassador for marbles and marble collectors. Your effort is appreciated. Thank you !