Scoop Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 I only have a few of the new runs of Jabos and the ones I do have are not "scary" as compared to vintage marbles... Since I kinda need a marble to start this off, I'll post the first Jabo I ever saw that might confuse a collector... It's a very good corkscrew, in coveted blue & green colors. Those who really know their Akro probably wouldn't flinch... But, some others might. There was a time when we could show a newbie a corkscrew and say, "If the pattern does this, odds are, it's Akro." The days of being THAT sure of anything are probably over... So, let's study up and learn what's out there.... Post 'em if ya got 'em!!! Let's keep it a learning thing, please... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sissydear Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Sorry Lou, I couldn't pass this up. I believe David's instructions were to post the offending JABO side by side with the vintage marble it might be mistaken for. Which one of these blue and green corks would be confused with that JABO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Edna, Sue said, "Those who really know their Akro probably wouldn't flinch... But, some others might." You know your Akro. Your mibs show why you wouldn't need to flinch. But a wishful newbie could get thrown by the one Sue posted. I don't think this thread is necessarily meant to conform to David's specs. Not many people have both Jabos and the vintage ones which might match them. I actually tried to save pairs like that, starting about my 2nd year of collecting. But I got tired of it by about my 4th. At that point I didn't need the comparisons anymore. Wish I'd kept 'em now. Woulda been fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sissydear Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 I thought it was to be educational. Maybe convince some of us the JABO's were dangerous. Maybe disprove the detractors remarks. I thought it was a great idea to do this. I'd like to see a lot of mimic JABO's and the marble they mimic. (If they indeed exist and they might.) In David's words I think "Bring them on". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 A newbie might consider it educational. Sue's not-cork. Your corks. It might not be the lesson David was daring us to try to teach. But it might still be educational if approached in a positve spirit. I'd think about adding some examples but as I said in that other thread, the examples I have right now are ones which go the other way. They're non-Jabos which I was told were Jabos. I still could try to get a pic of the special runs which I think look like Champion furnace mibs! LOL. But I guess those wouldn't apply either. Champion furnace mibs aren't vintage, are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjohn691500 Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 i have some of them bumble bee and cubscout look a likes buried in a hole here somewhere so i cant come up with a photo right now, so this round goes to david,, bj then again i might be getting mixed up with the company south of the border so i will shut up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Jabos and Ravenswoods might be a good place to look for similar appearance examples. But the same problem comes up. Will those who collect Ravenswoods have that many Jabos to place next to 'em for comparison photos? Eneeway, here's page 2 of a favorite link, with a response at the end there from dink1111 about how they're gonna have to look through their Jabo mountain to see if there were any Ravenswoods in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david Chamberlain Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Your Cub Scouts and Bumble Bees are in all probability Vacor. I've seen them and the Vacors are sufficiently different not to fool someone with a little experience with regular Bumble Bees and Cub Scouts by Marble King. Not that being fooled wouldn't escape everyone. It is more in the degree of knowledge and familiarity that the collector has then in the marbles themselves. On the other question of Jabos and Ravenswoods. I have both.....in spades and I have never seen a Ravenswood that approaches the appearance of Jabos. I have seen Ravenswoods with ironclad provenance that I didn't think were Ravenswood. Try that one on. Lest anyone forget within the first 2 or 3 Posts of this donnybrook the initial educational subject matter was clearly hijacked and turned around to an accusation against Jabo for purposely making and/or attempting to make vintage marbles. So while I've tried to turn this around again to an Educational endeavor I am not pleased that the Thread has been permeated with negative feelings towards Jabo. Some of you might be ticked off at me but I have actually attempted to keep the matter on track. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david Chamberlain Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 That was a kick reading that old Ravenswood thread again, at least Pg. 2. I might add that I have discovered another Ravenswood oxblood variety and only had two of them until just the other day. Now I have three. My two came out of those boxes in the 1987 find and they are basically white with a semi-translucent swirl and a distinctive thin line of oxblood that follows the green swirl. Amazingly one of the two bags of Ravenswood that digswithstick just sent me that he turned up in an antique shop had one exactly like the other two I have. Boy was I stoked! I need to call him and let him know he needs to look closely at his bags. I understand Ron is getting some of the bags as well. Most all of the marbles in the bags appear to duplicate marbles from the 1987 find. I'm not sure just how old the actualy marbles are but I would suspect late 1930s/early 1940s. I'm guessing. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 I picked these up about 10 days ago. They are either Christensen or Jabo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinemades Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Could they be Mellonballs? Sami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop Posted April 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Ahhhh, this just isn't heading where I wanted it to head!!! LOL But Alan, it was worth it for the smile!! Nice eggs!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaboo Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 sorry pointless post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 heres one. it's listed properly, but..what happens with this down the road... akro silver oxbloods sell for well over 100.00 oxblood silver Yes, it's listed properly, but it doesn't look Akro to me. Maybe an infant collector could mistake it for one, but infant collectors shouldn't be buying hundred-dollar marbles. If they are, well . . . it's on them. Sorry. Just MHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsMopar Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 http://marbleconnection.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=13315 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 I picked these up about 10 days ago. They are either Christensen or Jabo. Sorry, really liked this post, wanted everybody to look at it again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaboo Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 so you don't think this one could be confused either then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psia-antique Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Sorry, really liked this post, wanted everybody to look at it again! Ann, I agree with you, but I have question. HEY HOTROD, Are these Ravenswood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 so you don't think this one could be confused either then? Alley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Yup, pretty sure Alley, coz you posted it before. And yup, I mighta suspected Jabo if you hadn't said otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaboo Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 nice.., then my point was made but are you sure? or are you saying alley because we believed it to be alley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 because you believed it to be Alley. Is it still Alley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaboo Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 that's my question to the jabo experts. why is it or why isn't it. maybe I should have it in the ID section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 If you put it up for ID outright one of my first questions would be about what size it is. But then after you told me, if you told me 5/8" for instance, I'd have to go do some research to see how many 5/8"-ers would have been made like this. Still under the impression that most Jabo runs in the last coupla years were 3/4", but not sure about that anymore. Have lost track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvrons Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 I am not sure that i get all this. I have seen,had,and own marbles that i still get confused about. I have and had marbles that has changed spots or makers,two or maybe three times,in my collection. I bought,acquired or kept the marble because i liked it,was curious about it,it was odd,rare,filled a spot for a certian type,etc. I guess that is why my collection grows to large. Maybe,i should specialize in one company or type. I have tried that,but not much success. With a good variety,i never have a danger of getting bored with marbles. I can always find a marble that catches my eye,or makes me wonder,how,why,when? Why does a marble drop in value from $400.00 to $10.00 just because it is newer? Did the marble itself change that much? If i buy a mint or nm+ antique auto for $25,000.00 and it ends up being a 2010,it is still worth $25,000.00 or near it. Why do certian things only have a good value when they are old? Numbers produced or is it the numbers lost? Is a item only rare with age? This is not the first confusion or misidentification of marbles. I don't think it will be the last. It will happen again and not only with Jabo. Hopefully it will work out,with a honest person,for most. Just like it has recently. For some it will not. But,we should hope there is more good than bad in this world. I can fill your hands with WV swirls that are easily confused with one another. Comparison should be a learning tool,not a disappointment,or fear. Have a nice weekend. I am off to Baltimore and DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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